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Re: O line
« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2019, 08:49:22 AM »
I had read that about Cole and the suicide somewhere too. The two players were very close and the thought is that Madison somehow provided either the gun or the training.
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Re: O line
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2019, 12:47:01 PM »
I just do not understand the talk regarding getting rid of Bulaga this year.  If there was a WAR stat for RT his would be quite high.  Please remember just how bad it has looked whenever he has not been out there.  I think that this shows just how important he has been to the OL.
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Re: O line
« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2019, 12:54:20 PM »
MLF, Hackett, and Stenovich will be doing a thorough evaluation of each of the members of the OL.

They very well may keep him this next year. But they may not just as easily. We will find out in about 40-45 days.

It's not out call. But we can all have our own opinions.

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Re: O line
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2019, 02:38:30 PM »
I just do not understand the talk regarding getting rid of Bulaga this year.  If there was a WAR stat for RT his would be quite high.  Please remember just how bad it has looked whenever he has not been out there.  I think that this shows just how important he has been to the OL.

Exactly, when he is out there.  And didnt he refuse to restructure his deal to be more team friendly? Even though he gets paid for about half a season of work?
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Re: O line
« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2019, 02:54:27 PM »
I just do not understand the talk regarding getting rid of Bulaga this year.  If there was a WAR stat for RT his would be quite high.  Please remember just how bad it has looked whenever he has not been out there.  I think that this shows just how important he has been to the OL.

Exactly, when he is out there.  And didnt he refuse to restructure his deal to be more team friendly? Even though he gets paid for about half a season of work?
He is the 8th highest paid RT in the game.  Understandable as to why he said no.  Not like he got cut for saying no...
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Re: O line
« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2019, 08:59:40 PM »
I just do not understand the talk regarding getting rid of Bulaga this year.  If there was a WAR stat for RT his would be quite high.  Please remember just how bad it has looked whenever he has not been out there.  I think that this shows just how important he has been to the OL.

Exactly, when he is out there.  And didnt he refuse to restructure his deal to be more team friendly? Even though he gets paid for about half a season of work?
He is the 8th highest paid RT in the game.  Understandable as to why he said no.  Not like he got cut for saying no...

Honestly, they should have cut him. How many games has he averaged a season? And he usually plays a few with a pretty crappy injury, which shows when her gets beat by any decent defender.
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Re: O line
« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2019, 03:13:34 AM »
Ok, I've gone back and forth on cutting Bulaga as well. We do not have a viable replacement on the roster. There are a few available in free agency who MAY be an upgrade. But then again IF Bulaga is healthy, they would be a downgrade. He grades out as one of the better RT in the game and does not always get beat by any decent defender. Who is your replacement? Spriggs? Lay out a plan instead of just saying Bulaga sucks.
If Ford or Williams are available at the 12th pick (if 2 QB are taken in front of us, one of them should be) problem solved. If Bulaga stays healthy either he or the rookie could play RG for the year.
Enough already with the blanket statements please. What is your alternative? Name names.

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« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2019, 07:08:31 AM »
Ok, I've gone back and forth on cutting Bulaga as well. We do not have a viable replacement on the roster. There are a few available in free agency who MAY be an upgrade. But then again IF Bulaga is healthy, they would be a downgrade. He grades out as one of the better RT in the game and does not always get beat by any decent defender. Who is your replacement? Spriggs? Lay out a plan instead of just saying Bulaga sucks.
If Ford or Williams are available at the 12th pick (if 2 QB are taken in front of us, one of them should be) problem solved. If Bulaga stays healthy either he or the rookie could play RG for the year.
Enough already with the blanket statements please. What is your alternative? Name names.

I dont have to name names, the point is that bulaga isn't worth the money he collects. If he played every game, he would be, but he doesnt, and he is often hampered by injuries. If he was getting paid accordingly for missed time, that would be fine. But paying him the amount we do to play 60% of a season is bad business.
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Re: O line
« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2019, 07:33:46 AM »
You have to keep Bulaga, no choice or replacement on roster. Spriggs might become a starter as he keeps developing, but more likely the Packers will pick an OT or two in the draft.
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Re: O line
« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2019, 08:37:44 AM »
Ok, I've gone back and forth on cutting Bulaga as well. We do not have a viable replacement on the roster. There are a few available in free agency who MAY be an upgrade. But then again IF Bulaga is healthy, they would be a downgrade. He grades out as one of the better RT in the game and does not always get beat by any decent defender. Who is your replacement? Spriggs? Lay out a plan instead of just saying Bulaga sucks.
If Ford or Williams are available at the 12th pick (if 2 QB are taken in front of us, one of them should be) problem solved. If Bulaga stays healthy either he or the rookie could play RG for the year.
Enough already with the blanket statements please. What is your alternative? Name names.

I dont have to name names, the point is that bulaga isn't worth the money he collects. If he played every game, he would be, but he doesnt, and he is often hampered by injuries. If he was getting paid accordingly for missed time, that would be fine. But paying him the amount we do to play 60% of a season is bad business.

Maybe he stays healthy next year.  Bulaga is a solid RT.  He's well worth what we are paying him.  We don't need to create new holes have enough already.  I'd roll with Bulaga at RT and Spriggs as the back up again next year.  We do need a RG though.  Hopefully we'll draft a couple of guys for depth or sign a FA or two.

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Re: O line
« Reply #40 on: January 23, 2019, 11:08:59 AM »
This is beginning to remind me of last year when the debate was to keep Jordy or keep Cobb.

Jordy's older and slower than Cobb. When Cobb is healthy he's a much better player than Jordy.

Sound familiar?

When Bulaga is healthy, he's a dominant RT. But when was the last time he was available for a full 16 game schedule on his current 5 yr extension?

2016.

2015 thru 2018 he's been available for 47 out of 64 regular season games. He's missed nearly 28% of his starts.

Factor in that they may be installing an entirely new blocking scheme, and you have to wonder if now is the time to move on? Does he fit what they want from a RT with the new offense and blocking scheme?

Maybe Spriggs will be better suited to the new scheme?

Maybe they need to look at FA for another RT, AS WELL AS drafting another one.

And I guess it's OK to dip into free agency for a Guard, but not a Tackle? Logic? SMH.

Bryan Bulaga has about as much chance of staying healthy for this whole next season as does Cole Madison magically showing up ready for the off season program.

Don't bet your house and kids on it.


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Re: O line
« Reply #41 on: January 23, 2019, 12:15:07 PM »
This is beginning to remind me of last year when the debate was to keep Jordy or keep Cobb.

Jordy's older and slower than Cobb. When Cobb is healthy he's a much better player than Jordy.

Sound familiar?

When Bulaga is healthy, he's a dominant RT. But when was the last time he was available for a full 16 game schedule on his current 5 yr extension?

2016.

2015 thru 2018 he's been available for 47 out of 64 regular season games. He's missed nearly 28% of his starts.

Factor in that they may be installing an entirely new blocking scheme, and you have to wonder if now is the time to move on? Does he fit what they want from a RT with the new offense and blocking scheme?

Maybe Spriggs will be better suited to the new scheme?

Maybe they need to look at FA for another RT, AS WELL AS drafting another one.

And I guess it's OK to dip into free agency for a Guard, but not a Tackle? Logic? SMH.

Bryan Bulaga has about as much chance of staying healthy for this whole next season as does Cole Madison magically showing up ready for the off season program.

Don't bet your house and kids on it.

Odds are that he never will and that it is a wasted pick. Cole was supposed to be a major help...

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Re: O line
« Reply #42 on: January 23, 2019, 01:01:42 PM »
LaFleur's plan to run the ball more could change things a lot in this draft and FA.   Dont be surprised if they go OL with the top pick(s).  It serves two purposes.  It gets Rodgers better pass protection and more importantly upgrades the run blocking as a key point in this new offense.   IMO, other than Bak 69, none of those guys should feel safe.   Id keep Bulaga around for another year, but his eventual replacement needs to come in this draft or this FA period.  That OL needs revamping so they can run the ball, and Rodgers can confidently sit in the pocket and not wonder about his swinging gate offensive line on every pass play.  JMO

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Re: O line
« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2019, 10:15:01 PM »
A bit off topic, but IF MLF plans on rebuilding the line to run more, will he try and acquire Derrick Henry to run behind that line and split time with Jones? Henry was on the trade block last season, and I really wish we would have swooped him. Maybe he will be a better scheme fit if we change our blocking style.
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Re: O line
« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2019, 02:40:39 AM »
Going back to the should we keep or cut Bulaga topic, before getting rid of him lets take a look at who is available in free agency to replace him.

Statistics over a five year period:

Brian Bulaga - 62 of 80 games started. 761 avg snaps per season.
Bobby Massie - 76 of 80 games started. 987 avg snaps per season. UFA - Chicago - age 30
Jordan Mills - 71 of 80 games started. 847 avg snaps per season. UFA - Buffalo - age 28
Ereck Flowers - 55 of 61 games started. 903 avg snaps per season. UFA - Jacksonville - age 25

Mentioned guys seem to be durable snap eaters. Are they better than a healthy Bulaga? Don't know. Roll of the dice either way.

Whatever happens, hoping they address the RT and RG positions in the draft. Fairly high. Would not be opposed to using 2 of the first three picks on the o-line.