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Top 5 Overrated
« on: April 22, 2019, 11:34:31 AM »
The following players have been part of the 1st round conversation throughout the draft process, despite each having enough question marks to justify lower grades. Hopefully, GB avoids these players with their highest picks.

5.  LB  Devin White  - Fast and physical but not overly instinctive. An adequate blitzer, no better. And totally untested in coverage. All he did was drop into shallow zones. Who knows if he’s fluid enough to match up on RBs or TEs in space. If not, he’s just a 2-down player. That’s an unreasonably big unknown for an early 1st  round pick at a traditionally non-premium position. 
4.  OT  Jonah Williams - Adequate skills and feet but has a smallish frame, marginal length and the corresponding lack of power. He’ll have trouble keeping rushers away from his chest and anchoring against bigger players due to his lack of bulk. Probably projects better to guard.               
3.  LB  Brian Burns - great quickness and bend, but absolutely no power to his game. None. He’s always giving ground to work around blockers. As a rusher, he’s all upfield, with no real inside counters, spin moves only. That type of 1-dimensionality doesn’t really fly in the NFL. In essence, he’s Barkevious Mingo without the reckless abandon.
2.  DT  Dexter Lawrence - a huge man who doesn’t wreak the appropriate havoc. Can’t find the ball, ineffective spin move, no pass rush to speak of. Clearly a 2-down player. And those types aren’t worth 1st round picks in the modern game. Ngata (‘06) might be the last one who was.

And the most overrated player in the ‘19 draft class………

1.  TE  TJ Hockenson - Mid-round tools plus big-league hype. He’s physically ordinary and it shows. As a receiver, there’s no eye-opening burst, no breathtaking suddenness, no tight route running. He feasted on blown coverages, late-developing misdirection plays and well-thrown seam routes. His tools don’t dictate extra attention. As a run blocker, he’s been fantastically overblown. He generally hits targets in space but lacks the power to root anyone out or move the LOS. He dips his head and ends up trashed way too often. And not just courtesy of defensive lineman. Opening play vs. Iowa St.? Lead blocking in the open field, a DB jacks him up and puts him on his ass! How does that happen when you’re +60 lbs? There are many other examples where his marginal power sabotaged proper positioning. How will he succeed at the next level where every opponent is stronger? Exactly one TE has been selected in the top half of the 1st round in the last dozen drafts, the lowest frequency for any position group. And for good reason. To be even fair value, a 1st round TE should have the makings of a primary receiving option, and those players are rare. His teammate Fant checks all the boxes. Hockenson doesn’t appear to check any of them.

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Re: Top 5 Overrated
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2019, 12:20:46 PM »
The following players have been part of the 1st round conversation throughout the draft process, despite each having enough question marks to justify lower grades. Hopefully, GB avoids these players with their highest picks.

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3.  LB  Brian Burns - great quickness and bend, but absolutely no power to his game. None. He’s always giving ground to work around blockers. As a rusher, he’s all upfield, with no real inside counters, spin moves only. That type of 1-dimensionality doesn’t really fly in the NFL. In essence, he’s Barkevious Mingo without the reckless abandon.

And the most overrated player in the ‘19 draft class………

1.  TE  TJ Hockenson - Mid-round tools plus big-league hype. He’s physically ordinary and it shows. As a receiver, there’s no eye-opening burst, no breathtaking suddenness, no tight route running. He feasted on blown coverages, late-developing misdirection plays and well-thrown seam routes. His tools don’t dictate extra attention. As a run blocker, he’s been fantastically overblown. He generally hits targets in space but lacks the power to root anyone out or move the LOS. He dips his head and ends up trashed way too often. And not just courtesy of defensive lineman. Opening play vs. Iowa St.? Lead blocking in the open field, a DB jacks him up and puts him on his ass! How does that happen when you’re +60 lbs? There are many other examples where his marginal power sabotaged proper positioning. How will he succeed at the next level where every opponent is stronger? Exactly one TE has been selected in the top half of the 1st round in the last dozen drafts, the lowest frequency for any position group. And for good reason. To be even fair value, a 1st round TE should have the makings of a primary receiving option, and those players are rare. His teammate Fant checks all the boxes. Hockenson doesn’t appear to check any of them.

These 2 would easily make my overrated list.  I think Hock will be a decent player in the NFL but this game changer stuff is way overblown IMO.  I'm not sure Fant checks all the blocks either, but he certainly found the endzone a lot. 

I'll support whoever they pick and at least give them a shot to develop.
« Last Edit: April 22, 2019, 12:34:24 PM by The GM »

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Re: Top 5 Overrated
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2019, 01:57:44 PM »
You and I must have watched different films....

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Re: Top 5 Overrated
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2019, 04:26:52 PM »
I agree that Hock has been overblown. His tape was better than Fant's though. Fant feasted on blown coverages, Hock made some good adjustments and contested catches. But you are right, he doesnt blow you away with speed or amazing routes. I think White placed accordingly, even if it is because there is just a lack of top tier guys in the draft. Burns is also higher than what I personally see on film. Polite really seemed to hurt himself because his tape was impressive. We will see how things pan out.
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Re: Top 5 Overrated
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2019, 08:55:04 AM »
I think Lawrence is a guy who takes and requires alot of blockers which means it frees up our linebackers.  He will make some plays and tackles as well as sacks, but his value is tieing up the center and or one or two guards.  He's not a top 32 pick, I would entertain the thought of drafting him in Rd. 2
He does have injury problems, potential health issues.  He is a big man!!! 

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Re: Top 5 Overrated
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2019, 01:50:00 PM »
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Re: Top 5 Overrated
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2019, 02:35:56 AM »
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Re: Top 5 Overrated
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2019, 08:48:47 AM »
Devin Bush
Although I would be ok with him if we drafted him. He seems like a better fit as a 4-3 OLB to me. Most of the plays he makes are in space and when hes unblocked. I haven't seen him get off a block from an oline to make a play, he seems to get engulfed by them at times.

Hockensen
Alteast all the draft hype around him. You don't see TEs go that high very often unless they are 'freak' athletes. Ebron, Davis, etc.. still like him a lot.