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Offline morango

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Draft Network 7 round Packers draft
« on: April 06, 2019, 08:24:43 AM »
Draft Network are going through and using their predictor to do one of these for each of the 32 teams. I thought their packer draft was actually pretty interesting, and more realistic than any I am seeing on CBS or NFL.com right now, so worth talking about I guess. They have full analysis on their site (see link below) so I will just give a brief opinion on each.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/green-bay-packers-7-round-mock-draft

#12) DT Ed Oliver, Houston - Pretty much love this pick; Would provide interior pass rush that Pettine wants. Has the violence, twitch, and attitude to dominate that the packer defense needs.

#30) TE Noah Fant, Iowa - Fant is a decent value pick here. True he needs to work on in-line blocking, but he has elite athletic traits. I like Hockenson way better but he wont be on the board here.

#44) WR Deebo Samuel, South Carolina - Here's the shifty, slot weapon with YAC ability the offense needs.

#75) OT Michael Deiter, Wisconsin - The only pick I truly don't like. Badger OL picks are usually safe with a ton of upside, but something about this year's group turns me off. Not tough, not athletic, IMO, and underachieved in their final season. I follow Badger football pretty closely. Biadasz was the best of the bunch and he went back to school.

#114) ILB Sione Takataki, BYU - Don't really know much about him. Actually, I have never heard of him before... :unsure:

#118) Edge Justin Hollins, Oregon - Love this pick. Hollins has a pretty nice skillset and I think he will end up being a contributor and nice wave edge rusher to come in on 3rd down while one of the Smiths drops inside. Would probably take Gilbert's spot on the roster.

#150) OT Bobby Evans, Oklahoma - Also love this pick. Great value in the 5th round, IMO. I actually think he is better than Deiter and might be good enough to be the main swing tackle right away.

#185) DL Armon Watts, Arkansas - Another really good pick, IMO. DN killed rounds 4-6. Watts would probably make the roster and would be good depth.

#194) RB Devin Ozigbo, Nebraska - Other posters have been touting this guy. I have other favorites in this pretty deep RB class, so I don't know much about him.

#226) OG Hjalte Froholdt, Arkansas - Developmental project for the practice squad?

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Re: Draft Network 7 round Packers draft
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2019, 09:11:36 AM »
Hard not to like the first 3 picks there, would be happy with that haul.

Would be surprised if Deiter or Evans are very high on the Packers board, if at all. Their short area numbers are below par. Froholdt is a very good match for the Packers blocking scheme and what they look for in OL prospects.

Takitaki is a very good player, but was kicked off the team for a year for stealing some team sweatshirt from the women's track and field team. Is also an older player.

Hollins is a nice player, but a little light in the seat for what the Packers are now looking for in EDGE players. Would be surprised if the Packers drafted him.

I don't recall the Packers drafting a DL with the athletic profile of Watts. IMO I think it is unlikely they would draft a player like Watts.

Like Ozigbo. 

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Re: Draft Network 7 round Packers draft
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2019, 01:30:41 PM »
Hard not to like the first 3 picks there, would be happy with that haul.


I like it.  I can see Oliver possibly making it to 12, more than Fant making it to 30, Throw in Samuel in the 2nd (although I really like AJ Brown), I'm in!!! 
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Re: Draft Network 7 round Packers draft
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2019, 06:35:44 PM »
Overall it's good, except who starts at fs? Greene? Tramon? I like Samuel but I would switch him out for a fs.

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Re: Draft Network 7 round Packers draft
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2019, 07:03:44 PM »
Overall it's good, except who starts at fs? Greene? Tramon? I like Samuel but I would switch him out for a fs.

That is an interesting comment and suggests that you believe the a starting safety is coming from the draft, but I would wager that the opening day starters are already on the roster. Seldom do any rookies come in and start right from the beginning. Alexander started 11 games last season, but didn't make his first start until week 3. King 5 starts, but didn't start until week 3 also. Clark only started 2 games as a rookie. Last rookie to start on opening day was Martinez. Before that the last rookie to start was Corey Linsley and that was only because Tretter was hurt at the end of training camp and their was no other option. It's rare that any rookies start.

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Re: Draft Network 7 round Packers draft
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2019, 07:33:07 AM »
Nick Collins start his whole rookie season. The problem with your point is the utter lack of talent on the roster at safety, outside of Amos. Unless they sign a FA. Even still they need a long term solution at FS not specifically with who is the opening day starter. Also we all knew the second they drafted Dix that he was going to be the FS, he didn't start the first few games but he played a lot and took over after that. All indications are they don't plan to move Jackson. They have also already said Tramon is going to play CB this year. Randall started 9 games his rookie season, Rollins started 4(I think as injury replacement for randall on a couple of them), Lacy started 15 games as a rookie. Baktiari started every game as a rookie, Burnett started the first four games of his rookie season before he blew out his knee. Hawk started all 16 games as a rookie. Colledge started 15 out of 16 games as a rookie. Amad Carroll even started 11 games as a rookie. So to say "its rare that any rookie starts" is a false statement. I just can't see them going through this draft without taking a safety with one of their top 4-6 picks, unless one of the CBs is moved to safety or they sign one before or after the draft.

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Re: Draft Network 7 round Packers draft
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2019, 08:38:47 AM »
Nick Collins start his whole rookie season. The problem with your point is the utter lack of talent on the roster at safety, outside of Amos. Unless they sign a FA. Even still they need a long term solution at FS not specifically with who is the opening day starter. Also we all knew the second they drafted Dix that he was going to be the FS, he didn't start the first few games but he played a lot and took over after that. All indications are they don't plan to move Jackson. They have also already said Tramon is going to play CB this year. Randall started 9 games his rookie season, Rollins started 4(I think as injury replacement for randall on a couple of them), Lacy started 15 games as a rookie. Baktiari started every game as a rookie, Burnett started the first four games of his rookie season before he blew out his knee. Hawk started all 16 games as a rookie. Colledge started 15 out of 16 games as a rookie. Amad Carroll even started 11 games as a rookie. So to say "its rare that any rookie starts" is a false statement. I just can't see them going through this draft without taking a safety with one of their top 4-6 picks, unless one of the CBs is moved to safety or they sign one before or after the draft.

We are disagreeing here and I don't think we really disagree.

I believe that there is a very good sweet spot from 30-44 for safeties and I do believe their is a high probability they draft one with one of those picks. I personally lean Thornhill and will not be surprised if he is the pick at 30. The Packers will draft a safety.

I had the chance to talk to Pat Kirwan and Jim Miller at the draft in 2016 and Pat asked me the question of how many of the Packers picks would start right away. I said 2 because I was absolutely sure that Clark would be a day one starter (because Mike Pennel was starting the year with a 4 game suspension) and I correctly thought that Martinez was a day one starter. He put the spotlight on the fact that rookies seldom start from day one for me and gave me some homework to research the Packers history of rookie starters (that is a thing Kirwan often does with his listeners).

You don't agree with my word usage of rare, maybe unusual or not often or is not the normal works better for you and that is fine. But you have went back to 2004 and Ahmad Carroll to use as examples and that takes in 139 draft picks. To have 5ish day one starters and a handful of others who started soon after or made significant contributions from that sample size would fall in the rare category for me, if it doesn't for you that is fine too.     
 

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Re: Draft Network 7 round Packers draft
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2019, 12:28:47 PM »
Thompson, Thronhill, Savage, Adderly, Abrams, Rapp, Hooker, Gardner=Johnson have all been mocked before R3. All could start in GB.

I don't think any will make the 1st round and only 3 or so will go in R2, so there will be one or more of the above available at 3/11.

No need to rush for a S as we can find one in 3/11 that can play. Hooker/Savage is the likely pick in R3 after using picks on Edge, OL and TE.



 

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Re: Draft Network 7 round Packers draft
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2019, 03:40:08 PM »
Thompson, Thronhill, Savage, Adderly, Abrams, Rapp, Hooker, Gardner=Johnson have all been mocked before R3. All could start in GB.

I don't think any will make the 1st round and only 3 or so will go in R2, so there will be one or more of the above available at 3/11.

No need to rush for a S as we can find one in 3/11 that can play. Hooker/Savage is the likely pick in R3 after using picks on Edge, OL and TE.

Packers would like to use Amos as a SS, even though he can play FS. He will be the field general.

Hooker is almost a S/LB hybrid player who is best suited close to the line. Savage has speed/range but many feel he's better suited as a SS as well.

Thornhill, Gardner-Johnson, and Thompson are the best bets as a FS centerfielder.

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Re: Draft Network 7 round Packers draft
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2019, 11:18:12 AM »
I believe Darnell Savage is the best S in this class and can play either role equally well. He could easily be the first safety off the board and be gone by pick 30. I have Thornhill, CGJ, and Adderley as the next-best Packers options.

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Re: Draft Network 7 round Packers draft
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2019, 03:06:03 AM »
Used draft network and came up with the following:

E. Oliver, IDL
A.J. Brown, WR
I. Smith, TE
J. Thornhill, S
D. Montgomery, RB
C. Edoga, OT
Tevon Conveh, LB
B. Burr-Kirvin, LB
M. Sharping, OT
P. Hart, WR

Doubled down on WRs as Brown would be a excellent #2 and Hart a slot, kr and pr...linebacker is one of the weakest positions on the defense.  Montgomery is a great complement to our injury prone starters...Thornhill, Smith and Oliver will be a play a lot immediately. Two tackles to groom for the future....

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Re: Draft Network 7 round Packers draft
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2019, 07:28:50 AM »
Thompson, Thronhill, Savage, Adderly, Abrams, Rapp, Hooker, Gardner=Johnson have all been mocked before R3. All could start in GB.

I don't think any will make the 1st round and only 3 or so will go in R2, so there will be one or more of the above available at 3/11.

No need to rush for a S as we can find one in 3/11 that can play. Hooker/Savage is the likely pick in R3 after using picks on Edge, OL and TE.

Hooker is almost a S/LB hybrid player who is best suited close to the line. Savage has speed/range but many feel he's better suited as a SS as well.

Thornhill, Gardner-Johnson, and Thompson are the best bets as a FS centerfielder.

That's interesting, everything I've read or seen about Savage has him as a FS. The guy did start out as a CB if I'm not mistaken. I think Thompson is a 'pure' FS where Thornhill, CGJ, Savage, and Adderley are all FS that can be moved around and do different things, and bring more of a complete package. Which is what I believe Pettine prefers with his safeties.