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Offline dannobanano

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Re: A question and random thoughts
« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2019, 07:41:51 AM »
My last post didn't go through....it was the best ever! I'll try to duplicate the effort.

Savage was selected, I suspect, because he was the BPA and fit a need for the Packers-FS. To say the Ravens didn't want him because they signed Earl Thomas is crap. They traded down immediately after the selection so that tells us more with their actions then personnel move opinions by an amateur pundit. 

I don't know if Jenkins is better than McCoy. I do know Green Bay hired a coach from MS. St. and if anyone knew Jenkins...he would.

I appreciate this subject because it brings about some hypocrisy in people who are draft experts. They are always saying take the BPA. So during all the mock drafts they had Gary going to: Giants, Detroit, and Buffalo all of which picked before Green Bay. Yet when Green Bay took him, it was why him? They brought in two edge guys so why go with Gary? Maybe because he was the BPA. You can't go extremes, but also believe that you can't have enough talented defenders on a team either.
Gary has talent that mirrors a player like Mack. Mack was a game changer for the Raiders and is one with the Bears. I'm sure Green Bay looked at Gary and said what if he could be our game changer? Not just any player can be that good. They have to have talent and Gary has it. Now we will see if the Packer coaches can get it out of him.

"Now we will see if the Packer coaches can get it out of him."

That is the key phrase here.

I'm hoping Pettine, Montgomery, and Smith can unlock, and let loose, what's inside of Gary.

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Re: A question and random thoughts
« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2019, 08:23:54 AM »
My last post didn't go through....it was the best ever! I'll try to duplicate the effort.

Savage was selected, I suspect, because he was the BPA and fit a need for the Packers-FS. To say the Ravens didn't want him because they signed Earl Thomas is crap. They traded down immediately after the selection so that tells us more with their actions then personnel move opinions by an amateur pundit. 

I don't know if Jenkins is better than McCoy. I do know Green Bay hired a coach from MS. St. and if anyone knew Jenkins...he would.

I appreciate this subject because it brings about some hypocrisy in people who are draft experts. They are always saying take the BPA. So during all the mock drafts they had Gary going to: Giants, Detroit, and Buffalo all of which picked before Green Bay. Yet when Green Bay took him, it was why him? They brought in two edge guys so why go with Gary? Maybe because he was the BPA. You can't go extremes, but also believe that you can't have enough talented defenders on a team either.
Gary has talent that mirrors a player like Mack. Mack was a game changer for the Raiders and is one with the Bears. I'm sure Green Bay looked at Gary and said what if he could be our game changer? Not just any player can be that good. They have to have talent and Gary has it. Now we will see if the Packer coaches can get it out of him.

None of us know for sure where the Packers needed to trade to land Savage, but according to the trade chart just maybe the trade to 21 was to sweet to pass on. According to the Jimmy Johnson value chart the 2-4th's should of gotten the Packers up to the 24th pick, but maybe the Packers were not sure they could get the trade needed to land Savage after the opportunity to trade for the 21st pick. Hence the trade is made and why not get the 21st pick for the same cost as the 24th pick if you can make such a deal.

These are a few comments I found about who might have taken Savage before the Packers without a trade.

"I know for a fact we would not have gotten him at 30," Gutekunst said.

Rob Demovsky of ESPN said the Indianapolis Colts were looking to draft Savage in the 20s. So it looks like the Packers made the right call on the trade since they had him high on their draft board.

Maryland safety Darnell Savage, has emerged as a possible first rounder, Ian Rapoport of NFL.com (on Twitter) hears. He’s visited the Panthers, Seahawks, Rams, Steelers, Eagles, Colts and five other unnamed clubs, and at least three of those clubs has him in consideration for the Top 32.

On the Colts website, their pre draft coverage had a thing called the Ballard's Big Board and they list Savage as one of the top 5 possibilities for the Colts in the first round.   


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Re: A question and random thoughts
« Reply #32 on: May 02, 2019, 07:58:08 AM »
Another video from a guy I posted earlier talking about Rashan Gary.

Here he evaluates the Packer's recent draft... go to 40:45.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2949&v=8v3jh4c0oVE

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Re: A question and random thoughts
« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2019, 08:21:50 AM »
Another video from a guy I posted earlier talking about Rashan Gary.

Here he evaluates the Packer's recent draft... go to 40:45.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2949&v=8v3jh4c0oVE

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Re: A question and random thoughts
« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2019, 09:15:45 AM »
Another video from a guy I posted earlier talking about Rashan Gary.

Here he evaluates the Packer's recent draft... go to 40:45.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2949&v=8v3jh4c0oVE

Thanks for the share again, Brett Kollmann puts in the time and is very good at it.

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Re: A question and random thoughts
« Reply #35 on: May 02, 2019, 12:35:07 PM »
Did you see the part where Kollmann badly wanted to mock Savage to Denver at 10 ?

In the end he didn't (and Denver later traded the pick to the Steelers anyway) but that gives you an idea of how highly he though of Savage.
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Re: A question and random thoughts
« Reply #36 on: May 02, 2019, 02:29:01 PM »
I gotta stop at the Packer Pro Shop when we are in town in June and see if I can find me a "Savage" jersey.

Nitschke would have approved!!


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Re: A question and random thoughts
« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2019, 06:17:46 AM »
Gary and Savage...I think we will be hearing their names a lot over the years.
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Re: A question and random thoughts
« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2019, 06:24:36 AM »
I’ll add Smith & Smith to that as well

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Re: A question and random thoughts
« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2019, 06:26:03 AM »
Yeah, and hoping for a lot of three and outs!
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Re: A question and random thoughts
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Re: A question and random thoughts
« Reply #41 on: May 11, 2019, 12:51:23 PM »
One of the things I like to do after the draft is review the draft day trades and what teams traded in front of another to draft a player. Backtracking to the 3rd day of the draft, I got a text from a person with some insight into what is going on and in the 5th round leading up to the Packers pick he texts '5 more picks until the Packers take Hunter Renfrow'. Now he had been telling me for weeks that the Packers liked Renfrow and I just refused to believe it, nothing about him fit the Packers history of drafting WR's. And I still really don't believe it, but what is interesting is with the Packers sitting with the 150th pick that the Raiders traded up from the 158th pick to the 149th to take Hunter Renfrow. Were the Packers really going to draft a little slot receiver? We will probably never know, but interesting none the less.

Here a link to CBS listing and ranking all the trades.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2019-nfl-draft-ranking-all-40-trades-from-cardinals-poor-return-for-josh-rosen-to-the-first-round-deal-at-no-1/     

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Re: A question and random thoughts
« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2019, 01:17:31 PM »
I agree RT.

Even though I was hoping for drafting a "traditional" slot receiver, I also wanted it to be one that could also function at a PR/KR guy as well.
Renfrow does not check that box, so if there was an interest in him by GB, I wonder what it centered around?

Other than him being a different body type, to insert in certain personnel packages, than the other WR's on the Packers roster, I don't see anything that makes him stand out.

I did find this at his NFL draft profile page though...............

["He's a great route runner. He catches everything. He's quicker than fast. He's a coach's son. I think I checked off all the cliche boxes for a white slot receiver, but they are all true. Watch him work against Minkah Fitzpatrick and tell me if you think he can play." -- East coast area scout for AFC team]


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Re: A question and random thoughts
« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2019, 03:38:52 PM »
That's funny, the first thing I did when told they were interested was to look up his history of returns. More reason that I just had a hard time believing it, still a coincidence with the Raiders that should at least make a person wonder about the possibility.