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Round 1 #12 - Rashan Gary DE/Edge
« on: April 27, 2019, 08:50:09 AM »

Rashan Gary
Defensive end
SCHOOL: MICHIGAN | CONFERENCE: BIG 10
HEIGHT/WEIGHT: 6-4.5 / 277 | 40: 4.58 | DRAFT YR:2019


PROJECTED ROUND
1st


Pos:
Explosive pass-rushing defensive end with terrific size, growth potential and upside. Fires off the snap with an explosive first step, quickly changes direction and shows speed to every area of the field. Easily alters his angle of attack, displays outstanding movement skills and gets a lot of force going up the field. Disruptive edge rusher who shows speed off the corner and a closing burst. Fast in lateral pursuit, chases the action hard and plays low to the ground with excellent pad level. Effective out of a three-point stance and occasionally when lined up over tackle.


Neg:
Lacks bulk and gets easily outpositioned from the action by blocks. Can be a liability against the run. Struggled with a shoulder injury in 2018.


Analysis:
Gary is a tremendous defensive end prospect who will have opportunities in certain 3-4 alignments. He's fast, athletic and intense and should only improve as he physically matures.


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Rashan Gary*, DE, Michigan
Height: 6-4. Weight: 277. Arm: 34.13. Hand: 9.63.
40 Time: 4.58. 10-Yd: 1.63. Three Cone: 7.26.
Bench: 26. Vertical: 38. Broad: 10-0.
Projected Round (2019): Top-20.


4/20/19: Gary had a fabulous combine workout, showing off his freakish combination of size and speed. Tteam sources expect Gary to go in the top 20 and think he probably will be selected in the top half of the first round.


In 2018, Gary totaled 43 tackles with 7.5 for a loss and 3.5 sacks. He missed three games with an AC shoulder joint sprain and sat out Michigan's bowl game. Gary played well when on the field, showing a serious skill set of speed, athleticism, and natural size. He has a ton of upside for the NFL. With his size, strength, and speed, Gary is a great fit as a base end in a 4-3 defense. He also could be a five-technique in a 3-4 defense.


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Re: Round 1 #12 - Rashan Gary DE/Edge
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2019, 11:31:45 AM »
Interesting tweet below...  Gary has the talent, does he have the motor??  If Pettine got Wilkerson to play a few years back, this could be fun to watch. 


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Confirmed by @MathBomb: New #Packers edge rusher Rashan Gary is the heaviest player ever to run under 4.6 seconds in the 40-yard dash. He ran 4.58 at 277.
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Re: Round 1 #12 - Rashan Gary DE/Edge
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2019, 11:58:23 AM »
Interesting tweet below...  Gary has the talent, does he have the motor??  If Pettine got Wilkerson to play a few years back, this could be fun to watch. 


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Confirmed by @MathBomb: New #Packers edge rusher Rashan Gary is the heaviest player ever to run under 4.6 seconds in the 40-yard dash. He ran 4.58 at 277.

That is an interesting comment questioning his motor? I don't know his character and had not seen that anywhere, but is that a thing that people have been saying about him? This a direct quote from Gutekunst and he could of said anything to cast a positive outlook on the pick, but chose to comment on his motor.

 “If you watch the tape, he affected the passer. He affected the game. At times he wrecked it. He’s a premier athlete. He has an exceptional motor on the field. Really, since February, we’ve been locked in on him. Thought this guy could do some different things, add to our group.”

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Re: Round 1 #12 - Rashan Gary DE/Edge
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2019, 12:48:18 PM »
Interesting tweet below...  Gary has the talent, does he have the motor??  If Pettine got Wilkerson to play a few years back, this could be fun to watch. 


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Confirmed by @MathBomb: New #Packers edge rusher Rashan Gary is the heaviest player ever to run under 4.6 seconds in the 40-yard dash. He ran 4.58 at 277.

That is an interesting comment questioning his motor? I don't know his character and had not seen that anywhere, but is that a thing that people have been saying about him? This a direct quote from Gutekunst and he could of said anything to cast a positive outlook on the pick, but chose to comment on his motor.

 “If you watch the tape, he affected the passer. He affected the game. At times he wrecked it. He’s a premier athlete. He has an exceptional motor on the field. Really, since February, we’ve been locked in on him. Thought this guy could do some different things, add to our group.”

I think the negatives are based on his sack production (10 in 3 years).  Clearly, he has outstanding athletic ability.  Why didnt it translate into more sacks?  Was it Scheme?, injuries?  He played in a lot of games for Michigan, and had his share of disruptions on opposing offenses, but the knock on him was he didnt live up to his billing, was inconsistent at times , and also disappeared for stretches of games.  Maybe his position role and responsibility was different at Michigan?  Perhaps "motor" was the wrong word.  He may have been asked to do the dirty work while Winovich and Bush got the numbers?

At this point, his future production under Pettine is all that matters.   He brings versatility and I love his street brawler approach, and I hope that rubs off on his teammates.  The Packers obviously like what he brings and thats GREAT.  I hope he comes in with a Rodgers like chip on his shoulder that will only help him.  As with any pick, we'll see in the fall.       
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Re: Round 1 #12 - Rashan Gary DE/Edge
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2019, 02:01:08 PM »
Interesting tweet below...  Gary has the talent, does he have the motor??  If Pettine got Wilkerson to play a few years back, this could be fun to watch. 


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Confirmed by @MathBomb: New #Packers edge rusher Rashan Gary is the heaviest player ever to run under 4.6 seconds in the 40-yard dash. He ran 4.58 at 277.

That is an interesting comment questioning his motor? I don't know his character and had not seen that anywhere, but is that a thing that people have been saying about him? This a direct quote from Gutekunst and he could of said anything to cast a positive outlook on the pick, but chose to comment on his motor.

 “If you watch the tape, he affected the passer. He affected the game. At times he wrecked it. He’s a premier athlete. He has an exceptional motor on the field. Really, since February, we’ve been locked in on him. Thought this guy could do some different things, add to our group.”

I think the negatives are based on his sack production (10 in 3 years).  Clearly, he has outstanding athletic ability.  Why didnt it translate into more sacks?  Was it Scheme?, injuries?  He played in a lot of games for Michigan, and had his share of disruptions on opposing offenses, but the knock on him was he didnt live up to his billing, was inconsistent at times , and also disappeared for stretches of games.  Maybe his position role and responsibility was different at Michigan?  Perhaps "motor" was the wrong word.  He may have been asked to do the dirty work while Winovich and Bush got the numbers?

At this point, his future production under Pettine is all that matters.   He brings versatility and I love his street brawler approach, and I hope that rubs off on his teammates.  The Packers obviously like what he brings and thats GREAT.  I hope he comes in with a Rodgers like chip on his shoulder that will only help him.  As with any pick, we'll see in the fall.     

From all the information I've gathered he pretty much tilted the field on defense and dictated where the offense would go. He was double teamed a lot and still caused a lot of disruption. His one on ones in the pass rush are the only cause for concern. He really only had a bull rush and won with his athleticism. As versatile as he is he will definitely be an edge player and a guy you want on the edge. He ran a 1.63 10 yard split and he's twitched up, so it's not like you would want him over a guard or center every play. As a rookie I believe he will present issues for opposing offenses and contribute to the pass rush. And 3 or 4 years down the road he could be an elite pass rusher.

Looking back at the 12th pick it came down to a few players and Gary has by far the most upside and potential as a rookie to make an impact.

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Re: Round 1 #12 - Rashan Gary DE/Edge
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2019, 02:05:56 PM »
Interesting tweet below...  Gary has the talent, does he have the motor??  If Pettine got Wilkerson to play a few years back, this could be fun to watch. 


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Confirmed by @MathBomb: New #Packers edge rusher Rashan Gary is the heaviest player ever to run under 4.6 seconds in the 40-yard dash. He ran 4.58 at 277.

That is an interesting comment questioning his motor? I don't know his character and had not seen that anywhere, but is that a thing that people have been saying about him? This a direct quote from Gutekunst and he could of said anything to cast a positive outlook on the pick, but chose to comment on his motor.

 “If you watch the tape, he affected the passer. He affected the game. At times he wrecked it. He’s a premier athlete. He has an exceptional motor on the field. Really, since February, we’ve been locked in on him. Thought this guy could do some different things, add to our group.”

I think the negatives are based on his sack production (10 in 3 years).  Clearly, he has outstanding athletic ability.  Why didnt it translate into more sacks?  Was it Scheme?, injuries?  He played in a lot of games for Michigan, and had his share of disruptions on opposing offenses, but the knock on him was he didnt live up to his billing, was inconsistent at times , and also disappeared for stretches of games.  Maybe his position role and responsibility was different at Michigan?  Perhaps "motor" was the wrong word.  He may have been asked to do the dirty work while Winovich and Bush got the numbers?

At this point, his future production under Pettine is all that matters.   He brings versatility and I love his street brawler approach, and I hope that rubs off on his teammates.  The Packers obviously like what he brings and thats GREAT.  I hope he comes in with a Rodgers like chip on his shoulder that will only help him.  As with any pick, we'll see in the fall.     

Reading this should answer some questions about why his production lacked in 2018.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2019/03/02/michigans-rashan-gary-im-best-player-draft/3041481002/

"Much about what Michigan asked him to do as an anchor defensive end, though, didn't show up in box score statistics. Gary was an edge-setter as much as he was a pass rusher. He was responsible for owning his gap and creating space for players behind him. All of that, for the most part, showed up on film in 2017.
Last year, though, Gary dealt with a shoulder injury throughout Michigan's 2018 season. It caused him to miss three full games and parts of two others."

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/A%20Peek%20into%20a%20Pro%20Football%20Scouting%20Report%20on%20New%20Packers%20LB%20Rashan%20Gary

"In twelve games as a senior, he collected 44 tackles, seeing his sack numbers dip to 3.5 and his tackle-for-loss figures close at seven. The notable drop was more due to a position responsibility, as U-M down linemen usually clear the gaps for their linebackers to blitz. With Gary doing the "grunt work," it freed up fellow end, Chase Winovich, who made fifteen stops-for-loss. Later in the season, Gary played more of an interior position in order for the staff to get Kwity Paye opportunities to come off the edge and get to the opposing passer."

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Re: Round 1 #12 - Rashan Gary DE/Edge
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2019, 07:01:42 AM »
You can't have a Mack if you don't have a player that has Mack physical attributes. Gary has that and size. He's not as fast as Mack, but he can impact a game like him from a different position with his skill set. Pettine is probably right now figuring out how he wants to play him so he will be the most disruptive player on defense.
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Re: Round 1 #12 - Rashan Gary DE/Edge
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2019, 08:22:39 AM »
The best description of Gary that I have heard so far is that he is the Queen on Pettine's chessboard. He is the piece that can be moved anywhere that Pettine choices to move him.

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Re: Round 1 #12 - Rashan Gary DE/Edge
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2019, 09:58:24 AM »
Probably the only time a football player wouldn't mind being called that. True enough though....
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Re: Round 1 #12 - Rashan Gary DE/Edge
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2019, 10:31:43 AM »
Interesting tweet below...  Gary has the talent, does he have the motor??  If Pettine got Wilkerson to play a few years back, this could be fun to watch. 


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Confirmed by @MathBomb: New #Packers edge rusher Rashan Gary is the heaviest player ever to run under 4.6 seconds in the 40-yard dash. He ran 4.58 at 277.

That is an interesting comment questioning his motor? I don't know his character and had not seen that anywhere, but is that a thing that people have been saying about him? This a direct quote from Gutekunst and he could of said anything to cast a positive outlook on the pick, but chose to comment on his motor.

 “If you watch the tape, he affected the passer. He affected the game. At times he wrecked it. He’s a premier athlete. He has an exceptional motor on the field. Really, since February, we’ve been locked in on him. Thought this guy could do some different things, add to our group.”

I think the negatives are based on his sack production (10 in 3 years).  Clearly, he has outstanding athletic ability.  Why didnt it translate into more sacks?  Was it Scheme?, injuries?  He played in a lot of games for Michigan, and had his share of disruptions on opposing offenses, but the knock on him was he didnt live up to his billing, was inconsistent at times , and also disappeared for stretches of games.  Maybe his position role and responsibility was different at Michigan?  Perhaps "motor" was the wrong word.  He may have been asked to do the dirty work while Winovich and Bush got the numbers?

At this point, his future production under Pettine is all that matters.   He brings versatility and I love his street brawler approach, and I hope that rubs off on his teammates.  The Packers obviously like what he brings and thats GREAT.  I hope he comes in with a Rodgers like chip on his shoulder that will only help him.  As with any pick, we'll see in the fall.     

From all the information I've gathered he pretty much tilted the field on defense and dictated where the offense would go. He was double teamed a lot and still caused a lot of disruption. His one on ones in the pass rush are the only cause for concern. He really only had a bull rush and won with his athleticism. As versatile as he is he will definitely be an edge player and a guy you want on the edge. He ran a 1.63 10 yard split and he's twitched up, so it's not like you would want him over a guard or center every play. As a rookie I believe he will present issues for opposing offenses and contribute to the pass rush. And 3 or 4 years down the road he could be an elite pass rusher.

Looking back at the 12th pick it came down to a few players and Gary has by far the most upside and potential as a rookie to make an impact.

As the 12th pick in the draft, Garys value will be determined by his sack numbers.  Teams arent going to run away from Gary at the NFL level to start, and he will be compared to guys like Sweat and Burns.  Hes going to have to produce at a level higher than he did at Michigan.  Will he?   I dont know.  He failed to get to the QB in college on a consistent basis and now against better OLines, now hes going to turn it on?   I agree he has an big upside,  I just hope we see it in due time.             

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Re: Round 1 #12 - Rashan Gary DE/Edge
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2019, 02:20:40 PM »
The best description of Gary that I have heard so far is that he is the Queen on Pettine's chessboard. He is the piece that can be moved anywhere that Pettine choices to move him.

If Gary can soak up enough "knowledge" of Pettines defense that would be a sweet concept to imagine. I like it!

We also might see Pettine create a hybrid role of Elephant DE for Gary.

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Re: Round 1 #12 - Rashan Gary DE/Edge
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2019, 06:11:06 AM »
You can't have a Mack if you don't have a player that has Mack physical attributes. Gary has that and size. He's not as fast as Mack, but he can impact a game like him from a different position with his skill set. Pettine is probably right now figuring out how he wants to play him so he will be the most disruptive player on defense.

He's actually pretty close to Mack despite being 15-20lbs heavier. He's listed at ~250lbs, and their measurables are not far off: Gary had a 1.61 10 yard split and Mack had a 1.55. Gary had a faster 40 yard dash as well, 4.58 and Mack had a 4.65 at the combine. In terms of athleticism Gary gets the nod because he's 25+ lbs heavier at the time of testing. The biggest comparison where they are similar is the speed to power everyone goes on about.

This begs the speculation of what exactly will they do with him. Will they slim him down and make him into a pure edge rusher? I believe if he were 15lbs lighter he'd have been talked about as the next Khalil Mack, who wasn't insanely productive either. Unfortunately, he isn't the pass rusher Mack was when he was drafted, so expecting him to be able to make that transformation as a rookie is silly. As a rookie I believe we will see him do what he did in college but he will have the added benefit of not being the focal point of the offense. In his 3rd and 4th year I hope he will have developed into more of an edge player with a slimmed down and leaner frame. Knowing they announced him as a LB when drafted tells me they view him as a project.
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Re: Round 1 #12 - Rashan Gary DE/Edge
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2019, 11:03:31 AM »
My hope is Pettine has a specific role and projection for Gary. If you think this guy is going to just line up and get double digit sacks based on his athleticism you are going to be disappointed.  He didnt do it vs lower level Big 10 Olines. 

This whole thing has a Nick Perry feel to it for me.  As I said, I hope Pettine has a specific role and plan for him.

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Re: Round 1 #12 - Rashan Gary DE/Edge
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2019, 12:46:42 PM »
For comparison
Combine Results:

Height
Mack 6'3"
Gary 6'4"

Weight
Mack 251 lbs
Gary 277 lbs

Arms
Mack 33 1/4
Gary 34 1/8

225 Bench
Mack 23
Gary 26

40-Yard Dash   
Mack 4.65
Gary 4.58

Vertical   
Mack 40"
Gary  38"

Broad
Mack 128"
Gary 120"

20-Yard Shuttle   
Mack 4.18
Gary 4.20

3-Cone
Mack 7.08
Gary 7.26

Gary's numbers are off the charts for a man his size

Gary played on the number.2 defense in college football
Harbaugh, Bush and his teammates all say Gary was a Hugh part of making that real
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Re: Round 1 #12 - Rashan Gary DE/Edge
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2019, 01:40:10 PM »
That’s right B!
Folks need to see the bigger picture for Gary. It seems he was asked to do a lot of the dirty work at UM.

We can’t get too hung up on limited sack production, or because he wasn’t the guy a person was hoping for at pick #12.

Heck! I was riding a Hockenson all the way through the draft and I feel real good about getting Gary and the potential he represents for Pettines defense.

He’s really no different than any other draft pick, regardless of where they were picked. It’s all potential until they all prove themselves.