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Re: Round 1 #12 - Rashan Gary DE/Edge
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2019, 03:32:55 AM »
I swing back and forth on this guy, which is actually a good reflection of his 'from boom to disappointing' potential. I am always suspicious of using such an early pick on a guy that did not tear it up in college. There can be reasons for that, like a college WR who had a poor QB throwing to him. so was Gary double and triple-teamed into oblivion ? No. He faced that situation plenty, but he also had plenty of 1 v 1 opportunities. He played in 2018 with a bad shoulder, which is a legitimate reason to look less stellar than his abilities suggested he should be. He can get so far out of his gap that RBs and running QBs can exploit it. He has some effective moves but doesn't always use them.

Like so much about Gary, his motor is a mixed bag. It certainly isn't bad, but he does give up on the odd play. He is a player that is best when he is emotionally charged, so he plays better on game day than on the practice field.

The positive. Physically, he does have the exceptional traits to be seriously disruptive along the opponents line. He isn't a 'bad guy', he isn't lazy, he does what his coaches want, even though it was often the dirty work. He has the crucial very quick first step off the snap, he has no problems setting an edge. He is capable of turning speed to power. He has heavy hands. He can go toe to toe with linemen and not be overwhelmed. He has decent vision when guys are coming into his area of control, and can discard his blocker and tackle the ball carrier.

Finding a D lineman with his combination of size, speed, quick step, power and athleticism, is so rare, it takes a very high pick to secure one, so even with his modest production, his damaged shoulder, the dyslexia, even with who else was on the board at #12 (like Wilkins, or Burns) the Packers were locked onto this guy since February and still thought he was the best choice for them. It says a lot for Gary that they thought as they did.

What he needs. Currently he isn't the sum of his parts. He is like a averagely written computer programme, it does the job, but it isn't optimal. He needs coaches to re-write his programme into something more tailored, something sleeker and smarter where no code is wasted, one that not only does what it is supposed to do, but doesn't crash when you lean on the keyboard hitting random keys everywhere. He is in a good room with successful DEs like Daniels,  Clark and the Smiths to mentor him and show by example. He has guys like Fackrell around who illustrates how to do more with less, that DL/OLB room generally is very strong now. With a good dose of technical work and time in an NFL S&C room (to boost conditioning, mostly) he could be, well, awesome.......that is his potential and it's why the Packers took him as high as they did. It was an unusual step for the Packers to take, they wouldn't normally take a prospect with this many questions, this early, another change from having Gute in charge, compared to TT.

So there we are, I think Gary's floor is higher than some might attribute to him. I think the floor is Nick Perry, not awful but leaves you wanting more. His ceiling is much, much higher. Since he has (in my opinion) a coordinator that is super-smart, he will be schemed open, he will definitely be moved around to take advantage of his physical gifts. A more technically refined and controlled Gary, one that has a good understanding Pettine's system, could be a wrecking ball to Offensive schemes. As is ever the case, by his third season, we should have a pretty good idea whether this was a bad or an inspired pick. Fingers crossed for inspired.
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Re: Round 1 #12 - Rashan Gary DE/Edge
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2019, 03:45:33 AM »
As the 12th pick in the draft, Garys value will be determined by his sack numbers. 

I would rephrase that to: Gary's value will be determined by how much he disrupts offensive schemes. Sacks are one indicator of that, but not the only one.
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Re: Round 1 #12 - Rashan Gary DE/Edge
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2019, 07:38:34 AM »
Nice work 1265 on peeling back a layer and taking a closer look at Gary. The risk is there, but the high upside is also. Only time will tell us the truth.

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Re: Round 1 #12 - Rashan Gary DE/Edge
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2019, 07:40:52 AM »
Always respect Dr. Chao opinion so this is a little sobering.


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Use of this type of shoulder harness in practice confirms the thoughts on #RashanGary @packers ultimate need for surgery.

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Re: Round 1 #12 - Rashan Gary DE/Edge
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2019, 01:30:03 PM »
I posted someplace else that I have the same thing. I have lived with it for over 40 years. It's a pain in the ass at times, yet I played college lacrosse and never once had an issue. Every tear is different and the shoulder reacts different. I suspect next year he probably will have surgery, and will make a full recovery. An example, when I read the paper, yes I still do that, if I'm holding it up a little too far up my shoulder slips and I bring it down to stabilize it. My problem is if you bring your arm too high and put pressure on it...it will come out. Rehab won't do a thing to help it needs surgery. Since I don't play sports now, except racquetball and basketball, I can live with it.
There are a lot of guys who play with it and wait for surgery when it's convenient. I suspect Gary is one of those guys.

The bottom line, Gary can have a huge impact in the game with his shoulder tear.  He will be better if it's fixed...but not that much. 
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Re: Round 1 #12 - Rashan Gary DE/Edge
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2019, 05:58:37 PM »
I posted someplace else that I have the same thing. I have lived with it for over 40 years. It's a pain in the ass at times, yet I played college lacrosse and never once had an issue. Every tear is different and the shoulder reacts different. I suspect next year he probably will have surgery, and will make a full recovery. An example, when I read the paper, yes I still do that, if I'm holding it up a little too far up my shoulder slips and I bring it down to stabilize it. My problem is if you bring your arm too high and put pressure on it...it will come out. Rehab won't do a thing to help it needs surgery. Since I don't play sports now, except racquetball and basketball, I can live with it.
There are a lot of guys who play with it and wait for surgery when it's convenient. I suspect Gary is one of those guys.

The bottom line, Gary can have a huge impact in the game with his shoulder tear.  He will be better if it's fixed...but not that much.

Pretty clear strength isnt the issue with him doing 26 reps at the combine.  My concern is a hit at a freak angle and doing some permanent damage.   What if he separates his shoulder during the season?  Is that career threatening along with the labrum tear too?
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Re: Round 1 #12 - Rashan Gary DE/Edge
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2019, 06:30:48 PM »
I would say it's without question that there is an issue with the shoulder.

But exactly what that issue is has not been confirmed by Gary, his agent, nor the Packers. Labrum has been poo-poo'd by Gary, and the Packers are silent.

If there's a tear (someplace), is it a minor tear and not a big issue, or is it more significant and worthy of concern?

In the past, the Packers medical staff have been real-real conservative with allowing "injured" players to even step onto a practice field, let alone play in a game.

Since the medical staff is saying he can practice with the harness, as a precautionary measure, is it something that we should really be losing sleep over?


Aaaaand……..no sooner than I post the above, an insightful article shows up. (spoiler alert...……..it is a labrum tear. My bad)

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/05/why-concern-should-be-low-about-rashan-garys-shoulder-injury/

[Why concern should be low about Rashan Gary's shoulder injury

The shoulder injury requiring Green Bay Packers rookie Rashan Gary to wear a protective harness during minicamp should have limited impact on his first NFL season even if surgery is required next offseason, according to an orthopedic surgeon familiar with Gary’s likely injury.
Dr. Dustin Schuett recently spoke to Packers Wire to help explain the mechanics of a labral injury and why Gary’s position should reduce the impact of the injury during his rookie season.
Gary will operate in Mike Pettine’s defense as an outside linebacker and occasionally as an interior rusher, minimizing compromising situations for the shoulder joint.
Dr. Schuett believes the injury will have “minimal impact” on Gary’s season, even if he has to wear the harness all year in 2019. He pointed to the recent on-field success of Demarcus Lawrence, who played last season with a similar shoulder harness but still managed 10.5 sacks and a Pro Bowl appearance before having the corrective surgery this offseason.
“Shoulder harnesses like the kind Gary has been wearing help prevent the shoulder from getting into unstable positions which helps prevent further dislocations and subluxations,” Dr. Schutt said.]
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