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Offline GBP4EVER

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NFLPA trying to overturn part of CBA
« on: October 17, 2012, 06:40:47 PM »
NFLPA is asking the courts to put in a arbitrator to hear the case saying Goodell should not that he is bias. NFL rightfully so is saying doing so would go against the CBA. Do not see how the courts can rule on this when it is clear the CBA gives him the power a power approved by the players in approving the CBA.

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Re: NFLPA trying to overturn part of CBA
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2012, 06:09:05 AM »
If the NFLPA didn't like that why did they agree to it and sign the CBA in the first place?   :o

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Re: NFLPA trying to overturn part of CBA
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2012, 07:48:26 AM »
If the NFLPA didn't like that why did they agree to it and sign the CBA in the first place?   :o
Because they learned they gave up to much after the fact and now are trying to use the courts to get the parts of the contract thrown out. The courts should say we have no say in this matter as it is part of the CBA it's the NFLPA's fault for agreeing to it. Nothing can be done now.

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Re: NFLPA trying to overturn part of CBA
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2012, 06:25:13 AM »
If the NFLPA didn't like that why did they agree to it and sign the CBA in the first place?   :o
Because they learned they gave up to much after the fact and now are trying to use the courts to get the parts of the contract thrown out. The courts should say we have no say in this matter as it is part of the CBA it's the NFLPA's fault for agreeing to it. Nothing can be done now.

Agreed.

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Re: NFLPA trying to overturn part of CBA
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2012, 07:22:08 AM »
If the NFLPA didn't like that why did they agree to it and sign the CBA in the first place?   :o
They thought Godell was going to be fair and impartial, not the corrupt with power bully and tyrant he is.
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Re: NFLPA trying to overturn part of CBA
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2012, 09:15:51 AM »
If the NFLPA didn't like that why did they agree to it and sign the CBA in the first place?   :o
They thought Godell was going to be fair and impartial, not the corrupt with power bully and tyrant he is.
Please get over this Goodell is a bully and a tyrant we are all sick of hearing it.

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Re: NFLPA trying to overturn part of CBA
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2012, 09:20:40 AM »
X a bunch!!  :-X
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Re: NFLPA trying to overturn part of CBA
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2012, 06:34:36 AM »
If the NFLPA didn't like that why did they agree to it and sign the CBA in the first place?   :o
They thought Godell was going to be fair and impartial, not the corrupt with power bully and tyrant he is.

Then they were naive. This is a business and Goodell is the front man for the owners and he is doing good business. The players are really showing off their education they received on those scholarships!! ??? ???
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Re: NFLPA trying to overturn part of CBA
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2012, 12:52:45 AM »
I am so sick of bounty this bounty that. Let us know when its done!!!

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Re: NFLPA trying to overturn part of CBA
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2012, 06:26:25 AM »
If the NFLPA didn't like that why did they agree to it and sign the CBA in the first place?   :o
They thought Godell was going to be fair and impartial, not the corrupt with power bully and tyrant he is.

Then they were naive. This is a business and Goodell is the front man for the owners and he is doing good business. The players are really showing off their education they received on those scholarships!! ??? ???

So, making an idiot of himself and getting the NFL sued is good business?  Godell is inept and a joke.
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Re: NFLPA trying to overturn part of CBA
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2012, 11:01:15 AM »
I am so sick of bounty this bounty that. Let us know when its done!!!

You mean it's not over yet?!?!  :D That is in jest but in reality, I think it's pretty interesting. Not taking either side, just enjoying the process and seeing how this thing turns out. I think there will be definitive ramifications whatever the ruling may be. There might even be some unsavory things that come out in the process. We'll see how this plays out.
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Re: NFLPA trying to overturn part of CBA
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2012, 11:37:09 AM »
If the NFLPA didn't like that why did they agree to it and sign the CBA in the first place?   :o
They thought Godell was going to be fair and impartial, not the corrupt with power bully and tyrant he is.

Then they were naive. This is a business and Goodell is the front man for the owners and he is doing good business. The players are really showing off their education they received on those scholarships!! ??? ???

So, making an idiot of himself and getting the NFL sued is good business?  Godell is inept and a joke.

He is protecting the brand...that is what I would consider good business.   He is following orders from both his legal team and his bosses
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Re: NFLPA trying to overturn part of CBA
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2012, 11:47:03 AM »
If the NFLPA didn't like that why did they agree to it and sign the CBA in the first place?   :o
Because they learned they gave up to much after the fact and now are trying to use the courts to get the parts of the contract thrown out. The courts should say we have no say in this matter as it is part of the CBA it's the NFLPA's fault for agreeing to it. Nothing can be done now.

This viewpoint always intrigues me.

So if you work at a job in a union, and you feel you're being improperly suspended and having your pay improperly withheld, and your only means of redress is what you perceive to be a kangaroo court where the deck is being stacked against you --  you should just bend over and take it?  I don't think so.  Assuming you had the resources to do so, you would fight it.  That's what the player are doing here.

In my view, the Saints absolutely deserved punishment.  I don't believe they had a "bounty" per se, but they did have a pay for performance system and, despite being warned multiple times by the NFL, refused to end it.  (If you'll recall, the Packers received a similar warning back in 2007, and apparently complied.)  So in that sense, they were clearly in violation of league policy, and deserved punishment.

The problem is, the NFL has constantly centered this around being a "bounty" scandal -- that there was intent to cause harm.  I think that argument can certainly be made, but it's by no means the automatical slamdunk that the NFL is making it out to be.  Yes, there's an appeals process, but it's ridiculously stacked against the players.  Can you imagine a court system where the Judge you appeal to is the same Judge that made the decision to begin with?  Ridiculous!  But that's tantamount to what's been set up in the NFL here.  Yes, the player purportedly signed off on that arrangement, but I believe they thought there would be a modicum of justice exercised in that practice of this appeals process.  There hasn't been.  The NFL has kept it completely in-house and stacked against the players -- which is the NFL's right, per the CBA.

In other words, both parties are technically within their rights here.  Yes, an agreement was signed in good faith.  But the players position is that the NFL is not exercising good faith in the execution of that agreement.  And thus, they're doing the only thing they can do at this point -- take it to the courts.

And you would do the exact same thing in their shoes.  The players' belief is that there's been a miscarriage of justice here, and that the NFL refuses to exercise good faith in resolving that.  Thus, they're taking it to the court system -- which is the whole reason we have a court system.

It's obnoxious, and the players most certainly engaged in some measure of wrongdoing to begin with, but the NFL has handled this is extremely bad faith in my opinion.

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Re: NFLPA trying to overturn part of CBA
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2012, 11:49:24 AM »
If the NFLPA didn't like that why did they agree to it and sign the CBA in the first place?   :o
They thought Godell was going to be fair and impartial, not the corrupt with power bully and tyrant he is.

Then they were naive. This is a business and Goodell is the front man for the owners and he is doing good business. The players are really showing off their education they received on those scholarships!! ??? ???

So, making an idiot of himself and getting the NFL sued is good business?  Godell is inept and a joke.

He is protecting the brand...that is what I would consider good business.   He is following orders from both his legal team and his bosses

Very true.  Anyone who thinks Goodell is unilterally calling the shots here is naive.  He's being advised by the NFL's legal counsel, the NFL's top brass and the owners.

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Re: NFLPA trying to overturn part of CBA
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2012, 12:02:21 PM »
If the NFLPA didn't like that why did they agree to it and sign the CBA in the first place?   :o
Because they learned they gave up to much after the fact and now are trying to use the courts to get the parts of the contract thrown out. The courts should say we have no say in this matter as it is part of the CBA it's the NFLPA's fault for agreeing to it. Nothing can be done now.

This viewpoint always intrigues me.

So if you work at a job in a union, and you feel you're being improperly suspended and having your pay improperly withheld, and your only means of redress is what you perceive to be a kangaroo court where the deck is being stacked against you --  you should just bend over and take it?  I don't think so.  Assuming you had the resources to do so, you would fight it.  That's what the player are doing here.

In my view, the Saints absolutely deserved punishment.  I don't believe they had a "bounty" per se, but they did have a pay for performance system and, despite being warned multiple times by the NFL, refused to end it.  (If you'll recall, the Packers received a similar warning back in 2007, and apparently complied.)  So in that sense, they were clearly in violation of league policy, and deserved punishment.

The problem is, the NFL has constantly centered this around being a "bounty" scandal -- that there was intent to cause harm.  I think that argument can certainly be made, but it's by no means the automatical slamdunk that the NFL is making it out to be.  Yes, there's an appeals process, but it's ridiculously stacked against the players.  Can you imagine a court system where the Judge you appeal to is the same Judge that made the decision to begin with?  Ridiculous!  But that's tantamount to what's been set up in the NFL here.  Yes, the player purportedly signed off on that arrangement, but I believe they thought there would be a modicum of justice exercised in that practice of this appeals process.  There hasn't been.  The NFL has kept it completely in-house and stacked against the players -- which is the NFL's right, per the CBA.

In other words, both parties are technically within their rights here.  Yes, an agreement was signed in good faith.  But the players position is that the NFL is not exercising good faith in the execution of that agreement.  And thus, they're doing the only thing they can do at this point -- take it to the courts.

And you would do the exact same thing in their shoes.  The players' belief is that there's been a miscarriage of justice here, and that the NFL refuses to exercise good faith in resolving that.  Thus, they're taking it to the court system -- which is the whole reason we have a court system.

It's obnoxious, and the players most certainly engaged in some measure of wrongdoing to begin with, but the NFL has handled this is extremely bad faith in my opinion.


This is more about challenging the CBA and getting to the discovery phase  than a challenge of good faith.   Goodell has followed the CBA and the guidelines and process that the NFLPA agreed to.  Sure you can make a case about Goodell releasing more evidence but he is right in not doing that especially with a bigger picture concussion suit on the way. 

What really got my attention is that Vilma said I believe on the Jim Rome Show that they used the word "cartoffs" but it did not mean what you think ...really now.

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