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Re: Not watching game.
« Reply #106 on: October 13, 2017, 02:04:09 PM »
Good for Lance to be pro active in his donation.


Maybe he should also consider on their days off going out in the stadiums parking lots, or rent a venue of their choosing and hold rallies, in their street clothes and link arms, kneel or whatever else they want to protest or...start some charities that would benefit their concerns...how about visiting some of the oppressed areas in our Country they are championing for and do something good for the people there.


I'm sure the players can come up with some more examples where they can help.


They are already doing this!! YOU are not paying attention and YOU will not pay attention until they bring the attention to you. 

The notion that the only action/statement/contribution that these players make is strictly limited to protesting a cause during the National Anthem is complete BS!  The notion that anything will change if they would just protest somewhere they won't be seen or heard?   Ummmm...so sad. (apparently it's mandatory for statements to end this way now)

Many/most players are actively involved in various causes and charities.  Are actively involved in attending local schools, Women's shelters, children's hospitals, etc.  They have been at various rallies around the country to lend support to these causes, they have been active on twitter to denounce these causes.  I have volunteered at shelters and watched players serving next to me, I have watched players reading to my children at school and listened to them speak on the importance of unity, equality and family.   YOU are not paying attention and YOU are not listening
After searching online for two minutes. Just because you don't hear these stories doesn't mean they don't exist. There are so many athletes that are involved in their communities.

Kaepernick donation:
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/08/colin-kaepernick-nfl-national-anthem-protest-one-million-dollar-pledge-donations-empower-communities

Michael Bennett donation:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18863458/michael-bennett-seattle-seahawks-donate-endorsement-money-2017

One of Martellus' many donations:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/25/martellus-bennett-to-donate-jersey-sales-profit/

Richard Sherman foundation:
https://www.richardsherman25.com/pages/foundation

Patrick Peterson foundation and community work:
https://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2017/9/27/16372530/patrick-peterson-dominates-on-the-field-and-in-the-community-for-the-arizona-cardinals

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Re: Not watching game.
« Reply #107 on: October 13, 2017, 02:10:02 PM »
I'll repeat what I posted elsewhere, as it is to the point. Remove the National Anthem from every game.

It isn't an International event (USA vs another country), and if you can think of  better way to defuse a very awkward situation, I'd like to hear it. I don't know when the National Anthem started preceding every game, but it hasn't always been played first.

Great way to kill the NFL if thats the plan.

Uh-huh.
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« Reply #110 on: October 13, 2017, 07:11:01 PM »

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"There are many ways to peacefully protest as an NFL player. One of which is to kneel or sit during the national anthem. While it is a constitutional right of the player to do so, it is not acceptable on a grand stage.


As an NFL player, you are expected to give your attention to the flag for our fallen and current troops who protect our country for that short minute and a half during the anthem.


While the players have said directly that they are not disrespecting our troops, that is how many people see the protest. There are no words needed when not standing or paying your respects during the national anthem. A player’s actions will speak much louder than their words.


Players want to be seen and heard as they protest for equality, but the stage on which they are doing so is not correct. That minute and a half is the time that our troops have earned from us by protecting our rights and freedoms.


The players are disrespecting the troops who have fought and currently are fighting for that player’s right to peacefully protest. This is not to say that the players should not protest in some way shape or form if they feel that it needs to be done, but on national television during that honorary moment is not the time nor the place to do so.


Some teams have military veterans on their team. If a member of your team is a military veteran, you owe them the respect to stand during that moment. No matter how you feel about, what has been said by anyone else, you owe your teammate that minute and a half, and if you can’t give them that, then you don’t deserve to be on that NFL field alongside them.


A major problem with players not standing for the national anthem is that it is a part of politics and a political action. While the NFL is a business at the end of the day, the majority of the fans do not want to see football become more political. Fans want to see the sport be played because that is why they pay money to go to the games and watch the sport.


Fans do not buy tickets to the game to watch players kneel during the anthem or express their political opinion. Players can do that in their free time.


Many former fans have expressed that they will no longer be watching or spending money on NFL products because it is simply too political now. While a fan here and there may not seem like a big deal, the bigger picture is there there are so many fans who have stopped watching and paying for the games because they don’t want to see another political event.


According to an NFL memo from Brian Rolapp and Howard Katz, the NFL’s viewership through the first four weeks is down by 11 percent. That is 11 percent in just four short weeks; it will only get worse if these protests continue.


Players need to realize that their actions are causing the NFL to lose views. If the NFL loses views, that means pay cuts for the teams and ultimately the players. So those players making millions and protesting right now will be making less and less over time if they continue these protests.


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Thanks to Austin Ramirez...my sentiments exactly.
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« Reply #111 on: October 14, 2017, 09:10:34 PM »

The NFL and their Big Liberal Sports Media partners seem to have a new strategy for dealing with the massive fallout and deteriorating attendance/popularity from the BLM-dictated National Anthem controversy.


According to CNN:


Fox and ESPN will not be airing the national anthem live during this weekend’s NFL games.


Fox said the network won’t be showing the anthem live, but that the cameras “are always rolling so if something happens, we will be sure to cover it.” ESPN also said it would not air the anthem live Monday night.


CBS declined to comment and NBC did not respond.


The networks are inevitably facing blowback on social media, exemplified by this comment by “Olucy Olucy” at a Gateway Pundit version of this story:


So rather than the Owners find their baIIs and backbone and tell these overpaid privileged ball-throwers that all employees are required to stand, salute and honor the flag and anthem they’ve taken the chicken-azz way out.


See where the players have taken this!!! How sad!
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« Reply #112 on: October 16, 2017, 12:12:42 AM »

The NFL and their Big Liberal Sports Media partners seem to have a new strategy for dealing with the massive fallout and deteriorating attendance/popularity from the BLM-dictated National Anthem controversy.


According to CNN:


Fox and ESPN will not be airing the national anthem live during this weekend’s NFL games.


Fox said the network won’t be showing the anthem live, but that the cameras “are always rolling so if something happens, we will be sure to cover it.” ESPN also said it would not air the anthem live Monday night.


CBS declined to comment and NBC did not respond.


The networks are inevitably facing blowback on social media, exemplified by this comment by “Olucy Olucy” at a Gateway Pundit version of this story:


So rather than the Owners find their baIIs and backbone and tell these overpaid privileged ball-throwers that all employees are required to stand, salute and honor the flag and anthem they’ve taken the chicken-azz way out.


See where the players have taken this!!! How sad!

Pretty sure these guys sign codes of conduct as independent contractors. So why in recent news they feel owners and fans do not have a say in what they do while representing the team is beyond me. When I played in HS, we would have been kicked right off the team for crap like this.
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« Reply #113 on: October 16, 2017, 08:18:55 PM »

The NFL is scheduled to have a meeting on Tuesday to discuss, as Commissioner Goodell puts it, moving “past the anthem controversy.” For CBS, the NFL couldn’t move past the anthem controversy fast enough.
According to Credit Suisse, CBS’ plummeting NFL television ratings will have a direct impact on the company’s earnings.


Credit Suisse cut CBS’ third quarter EPS estimates by 5 percent, due to the network’s struggling Sunday NFL ratings.


According to Credit Suisse analyst Omar Sheikh, “We expect third-quarter network advertising to decline 3 percent (previously +1 percent), driven by soft ratings for both the summer schedule and for the start of the NFL season. With only one of the three content licensing deals we expected for the second half announced in third quarter, we also expect content licensing revenue growth to be skewed to the fourth quarter.”


According to CNBC, “Sheikh maintained his outperform rating and price target on CBS shares, which remains at $75, or 32 percent upside from Friday’s close. He cut his third-quarter EPS estimate to $1.08, below Street consensus estimate of $1.12 from FactSet.


“The analyst said CBS’ Sunday NFL ratings are down 17 percent year over year during the first several weeks of the football season, according to the report. Sheikh released a similar report last week on Twenty-First Century Fox’s earnings, which he also expects to disappoint thanks to weaker ratings by the NFL.”


With earnings projections like these, it’s no wonder that networks recently stopped broadcasting the anthem protests. Of course, these same networks were only too happy to show the anthem protests when they first began. Primarily due to the fact that something newsworthy was happening, and, of course, they agreed with Colin Kaepernick. Now the Frankenstein they’ve created has turned on them.


If only someone had warned them…


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Re: Not watching game.
« Reply #114 on: October 16, 2017, 08:43:45 PM »
I would be very careful at the owners meeting this week about mentioning Colin Kaepernick.  Address the anthem issue, but dont mention Kaepernick or anything that would add to his collusion case.

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« Reply #115 on: October 17, 2017, 03:14:17 PM »
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21053405/nfl-owners-players-positive-meeting-social-issues

Ian Rapoport:

49ers owner Jed York echoes what many said: There is no discussion of a trade-off for forcing players to stand. There’ll be no rule change.

Jed York: “(Kaep’s) message has been lost. ... More you sit with players & hear what they’re fighting for, it’s hard to disagree with them”

More from #49ers owner Jed York: “This is one of the proudest days” he’s had an an owner. Credits Colin Kaepernick for getting it started.

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« Reply #116 on: October 17, 2017, 03:35:25 PM »
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21053405/nfl-owners-players-positive-meeting-social-issues

Ian Rapoport:

Jed York: “(Kaep’s) message has been lost. ... More you sit with players & hear what they’re fighting for, it’s hard to disagree with them”

More from #49ers owner Jed York: “This is one of the proudest days” he’s had an an owner. Credits Colin Kaepernick for getting it started.

That's the problem. Rather than focusing on the reason for the protest, the focus has been on the protests. Rather than sparking some dialogue about whether there is racial inequality, and what that inequality might entail, and how to address this issue. Instead, the ourtage has been focused on the players and their actions.
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« Reply #117 on: October 17, 2017, 03:50:16 PM »
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21053405/nfl-owners-players-positive-meeting-social-issues

Ian Rapoport:

Jed York: “(Kaep’s) message has been lost. ... More you sit with players & hear what they’re fighting for, it’s hard to disagree with them”

More from #49ers owner Jed York: “This is one of the proudest days” he’s had an an owner. Credits Colin Kaepernick for getting it started.

That's the problem. Rather than focusing on the reason for the protest, the focus has been on the protests. Rather than sparking some dialogue about whether there is racial inequality, and what that inequality might entail, and how to address this issue. Instead, the ourtage has been focused on the players and their actions.

Yup.

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« Reply #118 on: October 17, 2017, 04:29:18 PM »
Here's what came out of the meeting of some players, their union and the nfl;



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Players have asked the league to address their concerns about criminal justice issues, and the league has lent its support to a bill before Congress on reforming criminal sentencing. That, and not the national anthem, has been the focus today.


Here is part of that bill and a comment;


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The Sentencing Reform and Corrections Act, originally introduced by Sens. Chuck Grassley (R-Ia.) and Dick Durbin (D-Il.) in 2015, would reduce the mandatory-minimum sentencing guidelines for repeat drug offenders without serious violent felonies and would broaden the "safety valve" exception to federal mandatory minimum sentences. It would also add new mandatory minimum sentences for interstate domestic abuse and for providing support for terrorists, while strengthening penalties for certain other crimes.


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"This legislation is the product of more than five years of work on criminal justice reform," Durbin said in a statement. "It's also the best chance in a generation to right the wrongs of a badly broken system. The United States incarcerates more of its citizens than any other country on earth. Mandatory minimum sentences were once seen as a strong deterrent. In reality they have too often been unfair, fiscally irresponsible and a threat to public safety."
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