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Offline LMG

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Re: Not watching game.
« Reply #60 on: October 10, 2017, 09:45:20 PM »
B I am probably more familiar with anyone here on Colin's career starting in college. I don't need articles or social media to tell me that he had a great future coming out of college entering the NFL.


He was the consumate person/athlete coming out of UNR, even with all the tatoos that he had in college. Not only a great athlete but also an intelligent young man with the sky the limit. He was a role model not only for kids but also appreciated by adults.


Something changed, and obviously not for the best, and now he can not back peddle out of where he and some others have taken him. Maybe he doesn't want to. So sad....


I can't find much support for him but did find another similar to the WND article you mentioned.


Muslim now?
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Re: Not watching game.
« Reply #61 on: October 10, 2017, 10:06:04 PM »
B I am probably more familiar with anyone here on Colin's career starting in college. I don't need articles or social media to tell me that he had a great future coming out of college entering the NFL.


He was the consumate person/athlete coming out of UNR, even with all the tatoos that he had in college. Not only a great athlete but also an intelligent young man with the sky the limit. He was a role model not only for kids but also appreciated by adults.


Something changed, and obviously not for the best, and now he can not back peddle out of where he and some others have taken him. Maybe he doesn't want to. So sad....


I can't find much support for him but did find another similar to the WND article you mentioned.


Muslim now?

Kaepernick has already sold out by saying he would stand for the anthem if a team signed him.  He can sit in the stands and kneel all he wants.

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Re: Not watching game.
« Reply #62 on: October 11, 2017, 06:56:20 AM »
B I am probably more familiar with anyone here on Colin's career starting in college. I don't need articles or social media to tell me that he had a great future coming out of college entering the NFL.


He was the consumate person/athlete coming out of UNR, even with all the tatoos that he had in college. Not only a great athlete but also an intelligent young man with the sky the limit. He was a role model not only for kids but also appreciated by adults.


Something changed, and obviously not for the best, and now he can not back peddle out of where he and some others have taken him. Maybe he doesn't want to. So sad....


I can't find much support for him but did find another similar to the WND article you mentioned.


Muslim now?

Kaepernick has already sold out by saying he would stand for the anthem if a team signed him.  He can sit in the stands and kneel all he wants.

This absolutely IS NOT true and has been verified by Colin, his girlfriend AND Jason La Canfora the reporter originally credited with the story.
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Re: Not watching game.
« Reply #63 on: October 11, 2017, 07:07:13 AM »
B I am probably more familiar with anyone here on Colin's career starting in college. I don't need articles or social media to tell me that he had a great future coming out of college entering the NFL.


He was the consumate person/athlete coming out of UNR, even with all the tatoos that he had in college. Not only a great athlete but also an intelligent young man with the sky the limit. He was a role model not only for kids but also appreciated by adults.


Something changed, and obviously not for the best, and now he can not back peddle out of where he and some others have taken him. Maybe he doesn't want to. So sad....


I can't find much support for him but did find another similar to the WND article you mentioned.


Muslim now?

Kaepernick has already sold out by saying he would stand for the anthem if a team signed him.  He can sit in the stands and kneel all he wants.

This absolutely IS NOT true and has been verified by Colin, his girlfriend AND Jason La Canfora the reporter originally credited with the story.

Point taken.  CBS is backtracking their story.

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Re: Not watching game.
« Reply #64 on: October 11, 2017, 10:41:05 AM »
Spin this logic...


https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/videos/10156119886451336/

You mean citizens can't protest at publically funded structures that help make rich people richer?

The question still is out there. Once the NFL demands that players stand for the anthem, is that the end of the issue? Or should there be consequences for those players who decided to protest before this decision was made? And, if there should be consequences, what would you suggest?
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« Reply #65 on: October 11, 2017, 11:11:49 AM »
Larry do you read the links that you post?

So far you've been up to articles that talk about on confirmed rumors, even they say they're on confirmed, and then you put them out there as if they're fact.

He supports a movement that calls for racial Justice, he's quite clear aboyt that and never professed otherwise.

I think the fact that if you are black the likelihood of you being shot to death by the police is 5 times more likely then if you're white is certainly enough reason for concern, alarm, and activism. And my thinking that doesn't require me to become a Muslim, which I am not.

And neither is there any evidence that Colin Kaepernick has converted either.
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« Reply #66 on: October 11, 2017, 12:16:06 PM »
Spin this logic...


https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/videos/10156119886451336/

You mean citizens can't protest at publically funded structures that help make rich people richer?

The question still is out there. Once the NFL demands that players stand for the anthem, is that the end of the issue? Or should there be consequences for those players who decided to protest before this decision was made? And, if there should be consequences, what would you suggest?

I don't think its the end of the issue at all.  I don't think the NFL will ever have a ton of success jamming things down the throat of the players.  If they do this, its basically telling the players that they are just assets with no opinions and that they should just fall in line and do exactly what they are told.  Given the massive divide in this country and the fact that it has just been getting bigger and bigger since last November the NFL is going to lose fans and money regardless.   

In the NBA's rule book it says you MUST stand for the NA and I'm pretty sure you are going to see that tested come the start of the NBA season.  It will be interesting to see the consequences of it given that the majority of the NBA are African American players.  Kobe Bryant is already on record saying that if he hadn't retired, he's have been kneeling. 
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Re: Not watching game.
« Reply #67 on: October 11, 2017, 12:25:40 PM »
SSG,

Thank you for your posts in this thread.  This is one subject you and I seem to be in complete agreement.  (hope that doesn't force you to reconsider your words!)


 

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Re: Not watching game.
« Reply #68 on: October 11, 2017, 01:03:35 PM »
Larry do you read the links that you post?

So far you've been up to articles that talk about on confirmed rumors, even they say they're on confirmed, and then you put them out there as if they're fact.

He supports a movement that calls for racial Justice, he's quite clear aboyt that and never professed otherwise.

I think the fact that if you are black the likelihood of you being shot to death by the police is 5 times more likely then if you're white is certainly enough reason for concern, alarm, and activism. And my thinking that doesn't require me to become a Muslim, which I am not.

And neither is there any evidence that Colin Kaepernick has converted either.


Of course I read the articles B...but I did not write them.


If you are referring to the article on Kaep I do not refer to it as 'fact' but only to point out that there are 'questions'.


If you didn't read the entire piece here is the last paragraph;


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Kaepernick’s rumored conversion to Islam should be a non-story. However, in an America where anti-Muslim fear and hatred exists and black protest maligned, that position is unfortunately a naïve one. Therefore, Kaepernick stands alone behind center – a black man perceived by many to be a closet Muslim, occupying a position where Islam and blackness as separate and standalone identities are feared, and the two combined, an exponentially greater threat.



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Re: Not watching game.
« Reply #69 on: October 11, 2017, 01:25:45 PM »
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Kaepernick’s rumored conversion to Islam should be a non-story. However, in an America where anti-Muslim fear and hatred exists and black protest maligned, that position is unfortunately a naïve one. Therefore, Kaepernick stands alone behind center – a black man perceived by many to be a closet Muslim, occupying a position where Islam and blackness as separate and standalone identities are feared, and the two combined, an exponentially greater threat.

Well where have we heard this before? HA! It's like political porn. Once you find what gets your audience "excited" keep giving it to them. They'll take care of the rest in form of a RW circle jerk.

And this disclaimer: "Of course I read the articles.....but I didnt write them....and dont refer to it as fact....but just that there are questions".....is nothing more than Trumps oft stated "Some people are saying" application to all sort of stupidity.

Amazing.


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Re: Not watching game.
« Reply #70 on: October 11, 2017, 01:43:18 PM »
Why has this been all about Trump lately? Because he had the nads to speak up about how the players were disrespecting in uniform our flag, anthem and military/vets in stadiums on game days when no one else supposdly in charge (NFL, Team owners) would?


The NFL let this issue go on since Kaep started all this 'protesting'....shame on them...and now they are trying to find a way to calm the fans down that don't agree with them and are doing their own protesting.
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Re: Not watching game.
« Reply #71 on: October 11, 2017, 02:01:07 PM »
Why has this been all about Trump lately? Because he had the nads to speak up about how the players were disrespecting in uniform our flag, anthem and military/vets in stadiums on game days when no one else supposdly in charge (NFL, Team owners) would?

No - its about Trump because he made it about him.

FACT: Please jot it down cause you seem to have lost is somewhere in fantasy land. BEFORE Trump decided to get you all hot an bothered, a grand total of 10 players were protesting in some form/fashion.

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So - Trump in his usual fashion decided to pull your chain with "God, Mother, USA and Apple pie" diversion - fire the (Black) SOB's - and you've firmly taken hold of the baton and done the rest yourselves.

There's "nads" involved - thats for certain - they're yours. Trumps got firm hold of them and you're responding exactly as he planned.

I suspect some sort of agreement will be reached - one which supports the players grievance about racial inequality in some manner or another. GOOD. Glad to see it. The protests will have worked.

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Re: Not watching game.
« Reply #72 on: October 11, 2017, 03:34:57 PM »
Why has this been all about Trump lately? Because he had the nads to speak up about how the players were disrespecting in uniform our flag, anthem and military/vets in stadiums on game days when no one else supposdly in charge (NFL, Team owners) would?

Agree,  its about people disrespecting the flag.  It doesnt matter WHAT they are protesting, it doesnt belong attached to the anthem and the flag.

The NFL meets next week to discuss this.  My guess is they will look for ways to meet the social issues/needs of players.  However, I believe they will require all players to stand for the anthem and will discuss a punishment for those that dont.         

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Re: Not watching game.
« Reply #73 on: October 11, 2017, 03:56:38 PM »
This is the N$L, they  w doill  contortions to try to play both sides of this issue. Even Jerry Jones can talk big, but wait till one of his star players violates. Let's see if he stands behind his big words.

I wonder if Jerry thought he was honoring the flag when he did everything he could to avoid serving in Vietnam?

Kneeling and or linking arms in unity has never before been framed as dishonoring. Or does that just apply to black and brown folks? Historically it has always been seen as great reverence.

I look forward to hearing you guy's outrage when someone flys the traitorous confederate flag or when flags are put on hats for retail purposes.

You all will be consistent - right?
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Re: Not watching game.
« Reply #74 on: October 11, 2017, 06:41:53 PM »
Why has this been all about Trump lately? Because he had the nads to speak up about how the players were disrespecting in uniform our flag, anthem and military/vets in stadiums on game days when no one else supposdly in charge (NFL, Team owners) would?


The NFL let this issue go on since Kaep started all this 'protesting'....shame on them...and now they are trying to find a way to calm the fans down that don't agree with them and are doing their own protesting.

First, its not about Trump.  He unfortunately wanted to be about himself when he attacked the players, their mothers and the league.  In the long run, his attack was never about the flag rather his hatred for the NFL and their turning him away as a potential owner.  He's got a long storied history of being anti-NFL.

Kaepernick DID NOT BREAK A RULE.  You can't just censor everyone that offends you.  Its dangerous waters to start censoring everyone that you don't agree with.

It doesn't take "nads" to attack a protestor because you don't agree with them.  It takes "nads" to address the issue that they are protesting about.  Trump has yet to make one single comment about why they are protesting.  He's yet to offer any help for their cause instead, he cowardly attacked the individuals protesting. If he wasn't so interested in dividing this country and destroying equality, he would have been in position to help the cause instead of making it 10X worse. 
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