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Re: Wilkerson to meet with the Pack.
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2018, 01:14:08 PM »
Vince Lombardi "If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, you will be fired with enthusiasm."

That's nice, but the dead money would prevent the team from using that money (again, how many millions?) elsewhere. He's a gamble. And the Packes still need to make cap clearing moves to seriously consider landing Wilkerson. So, until CMIII, Nelson and Cobb are resolved, this is all just speculation.

IF the Packers cut Matthews, for example, they gain $11.3 million on the cap with no dead money. So, do you cut him, sign Wilkerson, and hope that generates more pass rush? Do you hope to re-sign Matthews at a lower price? Do you try to extend the contract (meaning a pay cut)? Nelson would be a savings of $10.5 million with a $2.3 million dead cap. He's 32 and had a down year once Rodgers was hurt. He had five TD's and a start on another 1000+ yard season when AR went down. After that, Hundley and him had no chemistry. AR and Nelson are twin brothers from different mothers on the field. Don't be too quick to get rid of him, though he might be agreeable to a restructure. Cobb is due $12.7 million. His being cut would cost $3.2 million dead cap, but create $9.5 million in cap space. So, why are the Packers in this rather tight cap situation?

First, they re-signed Adams and Linsley, both very solid moves IMO. So, you're the GM. If you want more cap space, these are the three major guys you have to go through to achieve that goal. Sure, you could cut your starting RG (Bulaga), and save $4.5 million in cap space, with $3.2 million dead cap. And then need another RT. Again, you're the GM. Tough choices, but as GM, you're given the power to make thos decisions. So the question is, "Do you feel lucky?"
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Re: Wilkerson to meet with the Pack.
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2018, 01:34:16 PM »
It might be that he's over the hill or just a lazy slug.

Maybe he got complacent with the big contract, or maybe he lost his desire/drive because the NYJ's have been a dumpster fire for so long.

Sometimes getting cut becomes a wake-up call to certain players. It embarrasses their ego's, and make no mistake, they all have huge ego's. It's in those cases where their desire/drive to play becomes rekindled and you get the better player instead ot the lump-on-a-log player.

I have no idea where Mo fits in with this. But that's what Gute/Pettine get paid to figure out.

Agreed, he is a complete crapshoot. He is worth the risk if the price is cheap enough. Unlike most of the guys signed last year, this guy was playing at a very high level not that long ago. Their should be some tread left on them tires. If the Packers are going to take some chances in free agency, IMO it should be with players who were elite at one time. Players like Peppers and Woodson and not the Ricky Jean Francois' or Lance Kendricks of the NFL world. 

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Re: Wilkerson to meet with the Pack.
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2018, 03:38:39 PM »
According  to Silverstein, Wilkersons visit is complete and went well.  He"ll visit other teams, but the Packers are still in contention

Make of it what you will.  His first visit and we are still in contention????  We'll see.   The Saints are up next.

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Re: Wilkerson to meet with the Pack.
« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2018, 04:00:18 PM »
If we're going to sign Aaron we're out of money and there will be no FAs in GB. Unless we deal with Jordy, Cobb, Matthews first.

Agree.  Don't see the need to do Aaron now.  Especially if he and his agent want to play hardball.  Guy missed most of last season with an injury.  Also he is under contract for 2 more years.  Furthermore we can franchise him for another 2 years.  That means the Packers in essence own his rights for another 4 years.  Takes him to what?  39?  If he is about the team and agrees to a friendly deal that is one thing.  If it is I want to be the highest paid player in the NFL that's another.  Packers have the leverage not Aaron.  The goal is to win another Superbowl not to appease Aaron or his agent. 

Love Aaron but love the Packers more.  Just sayin...

Best player in the league at the most important position deserves to be the highest paid player in the league, if only temporarily. Name me a scenario in the next 5 years where Green Bay wins a Superbowl without Rodgers.

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Re: Wilkerson to meet with the Pack.
« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2018, 06:33:12 PM »
If we're going to sign Aaron we're out of money and there will be no FAs in GB. Unless we deal with Jordy, Cobb, Matthews first.

Agree.  Don't see the need to do Aaron now.  Especially if he and his agent want to play hardball.  Guy missed most of last season with an injury.  Also he is under contract for 2 more years.  Furthermore we can franchise him for another 2 years.  That means the Packers in essence own his rights for another 4 years.  Takes him to what?  39?  If he is about the team and agrees to a friendly deal that is one thing.  If it is I want to be the highest paid player in the NFL that's another.  Packers have the leverage not Aaron.  The goal is to win another Superbowl not to appease Aaron or his agent. 

Love Aaron but love the Packers more.  Just sayin...

Best player in the league at the most important position deserves to be the highest paid player in the league, if only temporarily. Name me a scenario in the next 5 years where Green Bay wins a Superbowl without Rodgers.

We have him under contract for 2 years and can franchise him for 2 more.   Whether he deserves to be the highest paid player is irrelevant.   Furthermore if we don't surround him with some talent we won't win another Superbowl regardless.
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Re: Wilkerson to meet with the Pack.
« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2018, 06:34:21 PM »
According  to Silverstein, Wilkersons visit is complete and went well.  He"ll visit other teams, but the Packers are still in contention

Make of it what you will.  His first visit and we are still in contention????  We'll see.   The Saints are up next.

Agree.  He left without a contract.  Highly unlikely we end up landing him now.

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Re: Wilkerson to meet with the Pack.
« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2018, 10:00:23 PM »
According  to Silverstein, Wilkersons visit is complete and went well.  He"ll visit other teams, but the Packers are still in contention

Make of it what you will.  His first visit and we are still in contention????  We'll see.   The Saints are up next.

Agree.  He left without a contract.  Highly unlikely we end up landing him now.

I have no idea how this will turn out.  He may get lowballed at his next visits and be back to GB.  The Packers could be the best fit for him after his visits are done.  I wouldnt even venture a guess because there are so many variables to it.  Money, location, coaches, quality of life, is the wife happy, length of contract, what does the city offer?  Ive no idea whats important to him.

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Re: Wilkerson to meet with the Pack.
« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2018, 01:02:34 AM »
If we're going to sign Aaron we're out of money and there will be no FAs in GB. Unless we deal with Jordy, Cobb, Matthews first.

Agree.  Don't see the need to do Aaron now.  Especially if he and his agent want to play hardball.  Guy missed most of last season with an injury.  Also he is under contract for 2 more years.  Furthermore we can franchise him for another 2 years.  That means the Packers in essence own his rights for another 4 years.  Takes him to what?  39?  If he is about the team and agrees to a friendly deal that is one thing.  If it is I want to be the highest paid player in the NFL that's another.  Packers have the leverage not Aaron.  The goal is to win another Superbowl not to appease Aaron or his agent. 

Love Aaron but love the Packers more.  Just sayin...

Best player in the league at the most important position deserves to be the highest paid player in the league, if only temporarily. Name me a scenario in the next 5 years where Green Bay wins a Superbowl without Rodgers.

We have him under contract for 2 years and can franchise him for 2 more.   Whether he deserves to be the highest paid player is irrelevant.   Furthermore if we don't surround him with some talent we won't win another Superbowl regardless.

I laughed when I read that, scoremore. It is so wrong. For example, you go the "run out the contract and double franchise" route, and upset Rodgers so much he doesn't really care about the Packers anymore - maybe he retires rather than play for a team he no longer likes - he can certainly afford to. Play hardball with the best player in the league and you DESERVE what comes your way.
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Re: Wilkerson to meet with the Pack.
« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2018, 06:21:20 AM »
Actually, if the Packers learn from the Randy Moss debacle, this could work out for them short term. In the case of Moss, the Packers thought they had him signed to a two year contract, even though Moss wanted only a one year deal. At the last minute, NE swept in, signed him to that one year deal, and Brady/Moss became the most deadly combination in the league. So, lets say that Wilkerson wants to sign a one year deal, so he can "prove" to the league he is a serious player. He plays for a decent amount, gets double digit sacks, and hits FA again after this year.

Would that be a bad idea? I don't think so. The Packers get the benefit of a motived Wilkerson, and improved passs rush, and probably a stronger SB contender. Then, the Packrs can decide whether they want to invest in him long term, or let him go. This would seem to be the ideal scenario. And to be clear, I'm not talking about vet nimimum or heavy incentives. Instead, somewhere around $8-9 million guaranteed, with incentives that could push that higher. Say, another two or three million. So, both sides would benefit: Wilkerson would get to play for a winner, get a chance to be with a familiar DC and show what he can do. The Packers would get a motivated, high energy/engaged pass rusher who could make the team better at an area where they have lagged in recent years.
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Re: Wilkerson to meet with the Pack.
« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2018, 06:22:40 AM »
Well Claymaker I disagree.  Aaron is coming off of a major injury.  He missed most of last season.  Let's look at the other side.  OK the Packers make Aaron the highest player in the league.  He receives a 5 yr deal /160 million with 80 million guaranteed.  Well we can't fit him under the cap so in order to get the deal done we have to restructure Jordy, cut Cobb, and also restructure Matthews.  Possibly cut Bulaga as well.  Also we are severely  limited when it comes to FA.  Where is this money going to come from?  Ok we structure it to lessen his cap hit this year but it balloons over the next few years.  Then what?

Aaron plays well but take a major hit midway through the season and re breaks his collarbone.  OK?  Where are we now?  You act like there is no risk to signing Aaron to a major deal.  What happens if he takes a career ending hit?  How much dead money do we have to absorb?  How does it affect the teams competitiveness going forward?  Is he even going to come back the same?

Look handing this kind of cash to any player is a huge risk.  QB salaries are out of control.  What's more important to Aaron winning another Superbowl or being the highest player in the league?  I am arguing you can't have it both ways.  You don't see Brady demanding to be the highest player in the league to you?  Know he took less so NE could afford to add some players around him.  He has 5 rings.

I have no problem giving Aaron a new contract.  But if it is predicated on him being the highest player in the league to feed his ego or his agents think it's a bad idea and can come back and bite the Packers in the butt.  A win win deal where Aaron works with the Packers to a cap friendly team orientated deal OK then if we can do it fine. 

Think this is not a good time to re do his contract.  I would wait until next year to try to work something out.  We should have more money to work.  We are very limited at this time with little cap room to work with.  We usually wait until a year before a contract is up before re upping a player.  Not 2 years.  We can afford to wait a year so see how Aaron performs. 

It all depends on Aaron and his agent.  If they insist on playing hardball screw it.  We wait.  Worst case we have Aaron for 2 years under contract we tag and trade him in year 3 for a boatload of picks and or players.  Do you think Aaron would sit out or retire because of a contract situation?  I don't he's too competitive.

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Re: Wilkerson to meet with the Pack.
« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2018, 07:18:53 AM »
Actually, if the Packers learn from the Randy Moss debacle, this could work out for them short term. In the case of Moss, the Packers thought they had him signed to a two year contract, even though Moss wanted only a one year deal. At the last minute, NE swept in, signed him to that one year deal, and Brady/Moss became the most deadly combination in the league. So, lets say that Wilkerson wants to sign a one year deal, so he can "prove" to the league he is a serious player. He plays for a decent amount, gets double digit sacks, and hits FA again after this year.

Would that be a bad idea? I don't think so. The Packers get the benefit of a motived Wilkerson, and improved passs rush, and probably a stronger SB contender. Then, the Packrs can decide whether they want to invest in him long term, or let him go. This would seem to be the ideal scenario. And to be clear, I'm not talking about vet nimimum or heavy incentives. Instead, somewhere around $8-9 million guaranteed, with incentives that could push that higher. Say, another two or three million. So, both sides would benefit: Wilkerson would get to play for a winner, get a chance to be with a familiar DC and show what he can do. The Packers would get a motivated, high energy/engaged pass rusher who could make the team better at an area where they have lagged in recent years.

I'm not claiming to be any wiser than the next guy, but I think you are way off on what you think he is getting in free agency. You are talking about paying him in the top 10 players in the league at his position and I just don't think he will get anything close to that with the issues he has had lately.
Just looking at resent contracts at his position.
Allen Bailey signed for 6.25M a year and is a young, clean player who I would guess that just about every GM in the NFL would take over Wilkerson at this moment.
Terrell McClain was signed away from the Cowboys by the Redskins for 5.25M. And that was a bidding war for a producing player.
More reasonable comps may be,
Ethan Westbrooks - 2 years, 3M at 1.5 per year and 500K signing bonus.
Frostee Rucker - 1 year, 1.08M with 80K signing bonus.
Jared Crick - 2 years, 4M at 2M per year and 1M guaranteed.
Quinton Dial - 1 year 775k
Arthur Jones - 1 year 775K

Will be interesting to follow.

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Re: Wilkerson to meet with the Pack.
« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2018, 07:53:07 AM »
Actually, if the Packers learn from the Randy Moss debacle, this could work out for them short term. In the case of Moss, the Packers thought they had him signed to a two year contract, even though Moss wanted only a one year deal. At the last minute, NE swept in, signed him to that one year deal, and Brady/Moss became the most deadly combination in the league. So, lets say that Wilkerson wants to sign a one year deal, so he can "prove" to the league he is a serious player. He plays for a decent amount, gets double digit sacks, and hits FA again after this year.

Would that be a bad idea? I don't think so. The Packers get the benefit of a motived Wilkerson, and improved passs rush, and probably a stronger SB contender. Then, the Packrs can decide whether they want to invest in him long term, or let him go. This would seem to be the ideal scenario. And to be clear, I'm not talking about vet nimimum or heavy incentives. Instead, somewhere around $8-9 million guaranteed, with incentives that could push that higher. Say, another two or three million. So, both sides would benefit: Wilkerson would get to play for a winner, get a chance to be with a familiar DC and show what he can do. The Packers would get a motivated, high energy/engaged pass rusher who could make the team better at an area where they have lagged in recent years.

Agree with the logic ricky. Mo may be wanting to rehab his reputation with a one yr deal (and under the guidance of the DC who made him into a "star"), and then re-enter the market in 2019 to cash in one last time (at age 29). IS that what he's asking for? Oh, to be a fly on the wall!

Who wins a potential 1 yr bidding war for Mo?

Saints currently have $9M more in the cap war chest.
Chiefs are currently OVER the cap by $3.4M, so they have some massive house cleaning to do.

I wouldn't rule out a 1 yr deal, with incentives, that could be worth $7M to $9M. But only because of Mo's past contract. I just don't see him taking a very low offer. Gute's gotta make a competitive offer, and maybe (since the word is that the visit went well) Mo will give GB a last chance to match after he made his other visits?  ;)

If the numbers are close between NO and GB, it could come down to Mo's relationship with Pettine.............stay tuned.


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Re: Wilkerson to meet with the Pack.
« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2018, 08:03:34 AM »
Actually, if the Packers learn from the Randy Moss debacle, this could work out for them short term. In the case of Moss, the Packers thought they had him signed to a two year contract, even though Moss wanted only a one year deal. At the last minute, NE swept in, signed him to that one year deal, and Brady/Moss became the most deadly combination in the league. So, lets say that Wilkerson wants to sign a one year deal, so he can "prove" to the league he is a serious player. He plays for a decent amount, gets double digit sacks, and hits FA again after this year.

Would that be a bad idea? I don't think so. The Packers get the benefit of a motived Wilkerson, and improved passs rush, and probably a stronger SB contender. Then, the Packrs can decide whether they want to invest in him long term, or let him go. This would seem to be the ideal scenario. And to be clear, I'm not talking about vet nimimum or heavy incentives. Instead, somewhere around $8-9 million guaranteed, with incentives that could push that higher. Say, another two or three million. So, both sides would benefit: Wilkerson would get to play for a winner, get a chance to be with a familiar DC and show what he can do. The Packers would get a motivated, high energy/engaged pass rusher who could make the team better at an area where they have lagged in recent years.

Agree with the logic ricky. Mo may be wanting to rehab his reputation with a one yr deal (and under the guidance of the DC who made him into a "star"), and then re-enter the market in 2019 to cash in one last time (at age 29). IS that what he's asking for? Oh, to be a fly on the wall!

Who wins a potential 1 yr bidding war for Mo?

Saints currently have $9M more in the cap war chest.
Chiefs are currently OVER the cap by $3.4M, so they have some massive house cleaning to do.

I wouldn't rule out a 1 yr deal, with incentives, that could be worth $7M to $9M. But only because of Mo's past contract. I just don't see him taking a very low offer. Gute's gotta make a competitive offer, and maybe (since the word is that the visit went well) Mo will give GB a last chance to match after he made his other visits?  ;)

If the numbers are close between NO and GB, it could come down to Mo's relationship with Pettine.............stay tuned.

Lets hope that Pettine can seal the deal. Lets hope they took him out for a Gilbert Burger at Burger King instead of one item off the dollar menu at McDonalds. By that I mean is that they will not sell the farm but are willing to invest a little bit more than in the past.

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Re: Wilkerson to meet with the Pack.
« Reply #43 on: March 09, 2018, 10:57:07 AM »
I'm not claiming to be any wiser than the next guy, but I think you are way off on what you think he is getting in free agency. You are talking about paying him in the top 10 players in the league at his position and I just don't think he will get anything close to that with the issues he has had lately.
Just looking at resent contracts at his position.
Allen Bailey signed for 6.25M a year and is a young, clean player who I would guess that just about every GM in the NFL would take over Wilkerson at this moment.
Terrell McClain was signed away from the Cowboys by the Redskins for 5.25M. And that was a bidding war for a producing player.
More reasonable comps may be,
Ethan Westbrooks - 2 years, 3M at 1.5 per year and 500K signing bonus.
Frostee Rucker - 1 year, 1.08M with 80K signing bonus.
Jared Crick - 2 years, 4M at 2M per year and 1M guaranteed.
Quinton Dial - 1 year 775k
Arthur Jones - 1 year 775K

Will be interesting to follow.

I hope you're correct. If the Packers could sign him for a lot less money, excellent. The less spent, the less there is to lose. I was going on the basis of his contract with the Jets, however. Which the came to regret, since he started underperforming immediately after signing that lucrative contract.
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Re: Wilkerson to meet with the Pack.
« Reply #44 on: March 10, 2018, 06:06:47 AM »
If we're going to sign Aaron we're out of money and there will be no FAs in GB. Unless we deal with Jordy, Cobb, Matthews first.

Agree.  Don't see the need to do Aaron now.  Especially if he and his agent want to play hardball.  Guy missed most of last season with an injury.  Also he is under contract for 2 more years.  Furthermore we can franchise him for another 2 years.  That means the Packers in essence own his rights for another 4 years.  Takes him to what?  39?  If he is about the team and agrees to a friendly deal that is one thing.  If it is I want to be the highest paid player in the NFL that's another.  Packers have the leverage not Aaron.  The goal is to win another Superbowl not to appease Aaron or his agent. 

Love Aaron but love the Packers more.  Just sayin...

Best player in the league at the most important position deserves to be the highest paid player in the league, if only temporarily. Name me a scenario in the next 5 years where Green Bay wins a Superbowl without Rodgers.

We have him under contract for 2 years and can franchise him for 2 more.   Whether he deserves to be the highest paid player is irrelevant.   Furthermore if we don't surround him with some talent we won't win another Superbowl regardless.

You don't franchise tag Aaron Rodgers two years in a row. Ask Washington how that worked out for them and ask Kirk Cousins how he feels about it.
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