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Offline ricky

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Re: The Vikes have me worried
« Reply #30 on: June 17, 2018, 10:54:44 AM »
Last year the Patriots ranked 29th in team defense. And made the SB. And lost because they benched Butler for unknown reasons, and a defensive play by the Eagles. I tried finding the defensive rankings for every SB year, but apparently will have to go year-by-year to amass that stat. I'll get back to you later.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=2017&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1

The key stat here is scoring defense. I have done this exercise many times in the past and I think you will find it is a rare exception to have a team in the SB that is not top 5 in scoring defense. Last year the Eagles were 4th at 18.4 and the Patriots were 5th at 18.5. The last time the Packers were in the SB they were 2nd in scoring defense at 15 per game and the Steelers were 1st at 14.5. At season end, look and see who are the top 5 scoring defenses are in the NFL and you will have the list of the real contenders to win it all.
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Where did you get those stats? Because I found very different rankings for team scoring defense. Just curious.
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Re: The Vikes have me worried
« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2018, 06:22:12 PM »
Last year the Patriots ranked 29th in team defense. And made the SB. And lost because they benched Butler for unknown reasons, and a defensive play by the Eagles. I tried finding the defensive rankings for every SB year, but apparently will have to go year-by-year to amass that stat. I'll get back to you later.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=2017&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1

The key stat here is scoring defense. I have done this exercise many times in the past and I think you will find it is a rare exception to have a team in the SB that is not top 5 in scoring defense. Last year the Eagles were 4th at 18.4 and the Patriots were 5th at 18.5. The last time the Packers were in the SB they were 2nd in scoring defense at 15 per game and the Steelers were 1st at 14.5. At season end, look and see who are the top 5 scoring defenses are in the NFL and you will have the list of the real contenders to win it all.

Where did you get those stats? Because I found very different rankings for team scoring defense. Just curious.
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I used the link that you provided ricky.

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Re: The Vikes have me worried
« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2018, 06:50:57 PM »
Super Bowl winners and their scoring defense ranking.

2018 Philadelphia Eagles - 4th /18.4
2017 New England Patriots - 1st / 15.6
2016 Denver Broncos -  4th /18.5
2015 New England Patriots - 8th / 19.6     *Seahawks were 1st that year at 15.9 and was the main reason I thought they would win that game.
2014 Seattle Seahawks - 1st / 14.4

Going back to the Packers in 1997, they were the number one ranked defense that year. The Ravens teams, the Giants teams, the Buccaneers team and most of the Patriots teams all had top defenses the years they won Super Bowls.

Shhh don't tell anyone, but the facts suggest that a top defense is more important than a top QB. 

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Re: The Vikes have me worried
« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2018, 08:00:25 PM »
Last year the Patriots ranked 29th in team defense. And made the SB. And lost because they benched Butler for unknown reasons, and a defensive play by the Eagles. I tried finding the defensive rankings for every SB year, but apparently will have to go year-by-year to amass that stat. I'll get back to you later.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=2017&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1

The key stat here is scoring defense. I have done this exercise many times in the past and I think you will find it is a rare exception to have a team in the SB that is not top 5 in scoring defense. Last year the Eagles were 4th at 18.4 and the Patriots were 5th at 18.5. The last time the Packers were in the SB they were 2nd in scoring defense at 15 per game and the Steelers were 1st at 14.5. At season end, look and see who are the top 5 scoring defenses are in the NFL and you will have the list of the real contenders to win it all.

Where did you get those stats? Because I found very different rankings for team scoring defense. Just curious.

Yards per game doesn't matter.  Passer rating doesn't matter.  Passing yardage doesn't matter.  What matters is point per game given up on defense.  Now, I'm not saying this will guarantee a win. But in the history of the Super Bowl, the winner is in the top 8 of Points per game on defense something like 90% of the time.   The average for the winner is 4th in points per game on defense.   FWIW, the Packers Super Bowl victories, their defense's were 1, 3, 1, and 2 in points per game on defense.    Only 5 teams outside the top 10 in points per game during the season have ever won a Super Bowl.  The Giants did it twice with Manning, the Colts once, Oakland, and San Francisco.
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Re: The Vikes have me worried
« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2018, 10:43:09 PM »
Shhh don't tell anyone, but the facts suggest that a top defense is more important than a top QB.

Trent Dilfer and Eli Manning would be testimony to that.
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