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Packers Big Board W.A.G.
« on: April 20, 2018, 08:03:36 PM »
OFFENSE

RD.               WR                                                                          OL                                                                 TE                                   
1       Calvin Ridley, Alabama                                             Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame                                       
         D.J. Moore, Maryland                                               Mike McGlinchey, Notre Dame

2       Courtland Sutton, SMU                                             Kolton Miller, UCLA                                       Michael Gesicki, Penn State
         DJ Chark,   LSU                                                         Connor Williams, Texas                                 Hayden Hurst, South Carolina
         Michael Gallup, Colorado State                                                                                                    Dallas Goedert, South Dakota St.

3       Deon Cain, Clemson                                                 Brian O'Neill, Pittsburgh                                Mark Andrews, Oklahoma
                                                                                       James Daniels, Iowa                                     Ian Thomas, Indiana
                                                                                       Billy Price, Ohio State                                   
                                                                                       Braden Smith, Auburn

4       Dante Pettis, Washington                                          Joseph Noteboom, TCU
         DaeSean Hamilton, Penn State                                 

5       Daurice Fountain, Northern Iowa                               Scott Quessenberry, UCLA                             Troy Fumagalli, Wisconsin
         J'Mon Moore, Missouri
         Tre'Quan Smith   Central Florida

6        Javon Wims, Georgia                                               Brett Toth, Army                                           Jordan Thomas, Mississippi St.
          Dylan Cantrell,   Texas Tech                                        Nick Gates, Nebraska           
          Byron Pringle, Kansas State                                     Dejon Allen, Hawaii

7/       Justin Watson, Penn                                                Nico Falah, USC                                             Deon Yelder, Western Kentucky
UDFA  Keith Kirkwood, Temple                                            Korey Cunningham, Cincinnati                        Andrew Vollert, Weber State
          Robert Foster, Alabama                                            Gerhard de Beer, Arizona
          Deontez Alexander, Franklin


                   QB                                                                            RB                                                                  FB
1        Josh Rosen, UCLA                                                     Saquon Barkley, Penn State
          Josh Allen, Wyoming
          Sam Darnold, USC
          Lamar Jackson, Louisville
          Baker Mayfield   Oklahoma

2                                                                                       Derrius Guice, LSU
                                                                                         Sony Michel, Georgia
                                                                                         Nick Chubb, Georgia

3                                                                                       Kerryon Johnson, Auburn
                                                                                         Rashaad Penny, San Diego State

4                                                                                       Royce Freeman, Oregon
                                                                                         John Kelly, Tennessee

5        Kyle Lauletta, Richmond                                            Kalen Ballage, Arizona State

6        Kurt Benkert, Virginia                                                Bo Scarbrough, Alabama                              Dimitri Flowers, Oklahoma
                                                                                                                                                          Nick Bawden, San Diego State

7        Tim Boyle, Eastern Kentucky                                      Ryan Nall, Oregon State                               Austin Ramesh, Wisconsin



DEFENSE

RD.               DL                                                                       EDGE                                                                ILB
1         Maurice Hurst, Michigan                                           Bradley Chubb, North Carolina S.                  Leighton Vander Esch, Boise St.
           Da'Ron Payne, Alabama                                           Harold Landry, Boston College                       Roquan Smith, Georgia
           Taven Bryan, Florida                                                Marcus Davenport, UTSA                              Tremaine Edmunds, Virginia Tech
           Vita Vea, Washington

2         Harrison Phillips, Stanford                                        Sam Hubbard, Ohio State
           Rasheem Green, USC                                              Josh Sweat, Florida State
                                                                                        Lorenzo Carter, Georgia

3         B.J. Hill, North Carolina St.                                       Duke Ejiofor, Wake Forest
           Nathan Shepherd, Fort Hays State                            Uchenna Nwosu, USC
           P. J. Hall, Sam Houston State                                   Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, Oklahoma
           Da'Shawn Hand, Alabama                                        Kemoko Turay, Rutgers

4         Chad Thomas, Miami-Fl                                            Dorance Armstrong Jr., Kansas                      Jack Cichy, Wisconsin
           Trenton Thompson, Georgia                                                                                                        Oren Burks, Vanderbilt
                                                                                                                                                           Josey Jewell, Iowa
                                                                                                                                                           Micah Kiser, Virginia
                                                                                                                                                           Christian Sam, Arizona State

5         RJ McIntosh, Miami-Fl                                              Kylie Fitts, Utah                                            Michael McCray, Michigan
           James Looney, California                                          Tyquan Lewis, Ohio State               
           Jullian Taylor, Temple                                               Ade Aruna, Tulane           
                                                                                        Hercules Mata'afa, Washington St.

6         Bilal Nichols, Delaware                                             Peter Kalambayi, Stanford
           Folorunso Fatukasi, Connecticut                                Joe Ostman, Central Michigan
           John Franklin-Myers, Stephen F Austin                      Trevon Young, Louisville

7         Lord Adusei-Hyeamang, Columbia                             Garret Dooley, Wisconsin                               Zaire Franklin, Syracuse
           Zach Sieler, Ferris State                                            Mike Love, South Florida                               Nicholas DeLuca, N. Dakota St.
                                                                                         Kendall Donnerson, SE Missoui St.                 Quentin Poling, Ohio


                   CB                                                                             SAFETY                                                SP. TEAMS
1         Denzel Ward, Ohio State                                          Derwin James, Florida State
           Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama                                       
           Josh Jackson, Iowa

2         Isaiah Oliver, Colorado                                             Jessie Bates III, Wake Forest
           Mike Hughes, Central Florida                                   

3         Quenton Meeks, Stanford                                         Justin Reid, Stanford

4         Donte Jackson, LSU                                                 Godwin Igwebuike, Northwestern
                                                                                        Terrell Edmunds, Virginia Tech
                                                                                        Tarvarius Moore, Southern Miss

5         Holton Hill, Texas                                                     Dane Cruikshank, Arizona                              Michael Dickson, Texas (P)
           Tony Brown, Alabama
           Isaac Yiadom, Boston College

6         Nick Nelson, Wisconsin                                            Natrell Jamerson, Wisconsin                           Daniel Carlson, Auburn (K)
           Andre Chachere, San Jose State                               Siran Neal, Jacksonville State                         Tanner Carew, Oregon (LS)
                                                                                        Trayvon Henderson, Hawaii

7         Trey Johnson, Villanova                                            Troy Apke, Penn State                                    JK Scott, Alabama (P)
           D'Montre Wade, Murray State
           Mike Ford, Southeast Missouri State



I used only players that are known qualifiers in historical likeness of measurables and testing or players that the Packers have used an allotted visit on. It is a given that their are many other players of interest that we have no information on, but I have stayed with only the known. I hope some will find this useful. 

         















 


                 
         
                             


                                                                                           
                     
        

Offline dannobanano

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Re: Packers Big Board W.A.G.
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2018, 09:51:43 AM »
Thanks for posting this RT.  hatsoff)

Very interesting stuff!

I'll be disappointed if GB doesn't have Carlton Davis on their board.........I know you and I disagree on him being a fit in GB.  8)

I'm sure it's hard to place him on this board because it's likely that neither you (nor I) has found any posted times for him in the 3-cone & 20 shuttle, which are required elements according to your prerequisites.

Makes me wonder if he's even run those elements for anybody this pre-draft season?

I'm sure the Packers know more about him than any of us, so whether or not he's on their board, I'm sure they've done their due-diligence regarding him.

Found this article about him at PFF this morning................maybe it's already been posted somewhere.

Anyway........... twocents)
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-2018-cornerback-route-tree-carlton-davis

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Re: Packers Big Board W.A.G.
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2018, 09:53:20 AM »
I'll add four more guys I find of interest.

G Skyler Phillips 6'3", 324. Powerful guard with suprising athleticism. Has played RT and LT, which raises his chances of being a Packer pick (rd6).
OT Jamarco Jones 6'5", 310 Decent athletically. From a good college (Ohio St.) Handles speed well, Very hard worker. (rd 4).
DB Dane Cruickshank 6'1 1/4", 209, 25 reps on the bar !! Has a 4.41 40 time. Great numbers for a 7th rounder. Fast enough to play CB, big enough to play Safety, and should be a good ST player at minimum. (rd 7).
WR Marquez Valdez-Scantling 6'5", 205, 4.37 40. Another chance at getting a huge (and very fast) WR. (rd 7).

In addition, I understand why Anthony Miller or James Washington (both WRs) are not listed, neither has the size you want. Miller is 5'11" 190, has about a 4.48 40 time, but is very talented on the field, I'd snatch him if he lasts to the 3rd. Same with Washington, his 40 time is far from electric (4.54), but he is always getting deep on opponents. That 213lb weight on a 5'11" body will really help him in the NFL, both fighting for the ball and when he acts as a blocker. He looks more like a RB. Very productive and perfect for a good deep-ball thrower.

PS. like danno, I'd have CB Carlton Davis if he is there there at #45. He's a tough SOB, and at 6'1", 206, he can hold his own against bigger receivers.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2018, 10:01:19 AM by OneTwoSixFive »
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Re: Packers Big Board W.A.G.
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2018, 10:23:27 AM »
A number of good players that I wouldn't mind seeing in a Packers uniform.

Phillips was a guy I watch a fair amount of early on and did like him. His testing disqualifier was his 3-cone drill, which I'm guessing highlights the short area footwork the Packers require from their OL.

Jones is the one player you have that I don't like at all. 8.32 3-cone/ 5.55 in the 40/ 4.99 short shuttle, all are very sluggish numbers.

Cruickshank is listed.

Valdez-Scantling is a player that at his position and probable draft round that the Packers have taken outliers. Not out of the question.

Love both Miller and Washington as players, they bring a lot to the table and would be good gets. Personally I perfer Gallop over both of them by a slight margin, but they are both really good wideouts.

Not a big Davis fan. Would much rather have Jackson or Oliver. I would rather have Meeks or Nelson also.

Good list.


   


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Re: Packers Big Board W.A.G.
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2018, 04:04:22 PM »
Good job RT!
In the land of the blind.....the one eye man is king!

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Re: Packers Big Board W.A.G.
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2018, 07:17:18 PM »
1265, Did you see the Packers had Marquez Valdes-Scantling in as a 30 visit? You are onto a player there, nice find.

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Re: Packers Big Board W.A.G.
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2018, 12:56:15 AM »
1265, Did you see the Packers had Marquez Valdes-Scantling in as a 30 visit? You are onto a player there, nice find.
Never saw that, thanks for the heads up, I think it was danno that put me on to him.

Just two more days................two more veeeeeerry slow days (for me in England, the draft happens late, 5-7 hours later for me than you, if you live in the US).
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Re: Packers Big Board W.A.G.
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2018, 05:57:50 AM »
One guy who doesn't meet the CB standard yet has tied the record for interceptions for returned TDs is Darious Phillips from Western Mich. I suspect he will be noticed on Saturday draft day and Sunday when people start talking about how he wasn't drafted until the last day.
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Re: Packers Big Board W.A.G.
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2018, 06:16:50 PM »
One guy who doesn't meet the CB standard yet has tied the record for interceptions for returned TDs is Darious Phillips from Western Mich. I suspect he will be noticed on Saturday draft day and Sunday when people start talking about how he wasn't drafted until the last day.

Too me this the fun part of this process, finding out about these under the radar guys. He was an electrifying player for the Mustangs.

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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2018, 06:21:06 PM »
One guy who doesn't meet the CB standard yet has tied the record for interceptions for returned TDs is Darious Phillips from Western Mich. I suspect he will be noticed on Saturday draft day and Sunday when people start talking about how he wasn't drafted until the last day.

Too me this the fun part of this process, finding out about these under the radar guys. He was an electrifying player for the Mustangs.

My daughter/son-in-law know about him. They live in Kalamazoo.

Although, my son-in-law is a Michigan fan..................still, they do follow the local team as well. Mustang fans were not happy when Fleck flew to MN (now I have to put up with him!)

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« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2018, 07:05:14 AM »
Overall I think our board was a success even though the number of direct hits was not there. I consider the final as 6 hits, 3 close hits and 2 misses

The 6 hits were,

1.) Josh Jackson, he checked all the boxes for the Packers, I at a 1st round grade on him and I believe the Packers did too. He was their 2nd round choice at 45 overall. Hit.

2.) Oren Burks, tested elite, Packers showed a ton of interest in him, I put a 4th round grade on him and thought he was a strong candidate for the 1st pick in the 4th round that the held pre-draft. The Packers traded up 13 picks from that spot to take him at 88 overall. Hit.

3.) J'mon Moore, his first reported 40 time excluded him but he cameback at his pro-day and killed it running in the 4.4's, I put a 5th round grade on him, the Packers took him with a late pick in the 4th round at 133 overall. Hit.

4.) JK Scott, I was not surprise with this pick, most national people had a 5th or 6th round grade on him and I put him on the board as one of 2 possible punters with a 7th round grade. Interesting that both of those punters went in the 5th round. Having him on the board at all is a success in my eyes anyways. The Packers took him in the late 5th at 172 overall. Hit.

5.) James Looney, This guy tests as a elite athlete and I struggle where to place him, no player did I probably move more than him as I bounced him around from 4th to 7th of the third day. In the end the Packers took him as a value pick in the 7th round at 232 overall. Hit.

6.) Kendall Donnerson, Another elite athlete that the Packers are taking a flyer on. They showed a lot of interest in him during the pre-draft process for a small college guy. I put him on the board because of their interest in him as a 7th round grade. The Packers took him in the 7th round at 248 overall. Hit.

The 3 close hits were,

1.) Marquez Valdez-Scantling, This is a guy that I kept on the list of incomplete workouts, he was a qualifier by an impressive margin in the testing that was reported but at the time that I posted the list he had not yet check all the boxes. Two days before the draft I did obtain his 3 cone drill times and at that point he should of been on the list, but by that time I was not able to modify the list. The Packers took him with the last pick in the 5th round at 174 overall. Close Hit.

2.) Equanimeous St. Brown, This guy is the same as above in that his workouts were incomplete and his stayed incomplete. Did the Packers have his information from a private workout or did he really never complete that part of the process? Is that why he slide to the 6th round? We will never know, but he was alway on the radar, just never made the board. The Packers took him in the 6th round at 207 overall. Close Hit.

3.) Hunter Bradley, Some may dispute this as a close hit, but the fact that I had them pegged for a long snapper at all is a win in my eyes. I will admit that this guy was never on the radar and Tanner Carew was the only one that I found that I thought was draftable grade and I had them taking late. The Packers kept this one hidden well. The Packers took him in the 7th round at 239 overall. Close Hit.

The 2 misses were,

1.) Jaire Alexander, It is always tough when you whiff on the 1st round pick, but that is what I did. The historic measurables for Packers CB's has been soo long standing that I just didn't believe they would break from it, no less do it in the first round. He is a complete qualifier testing wise and his only shortcoming is his height.  But Gute's comments after the pick make me believe this an exception to the rule and not an adjustment to new benchmarks. Should be fun to watch playout in the future. The Packers selected him in the 1st round at 14 overall. Miss.

2.) Cole Madison, This is the one pick that is hard to get a hold on. He is a career college tackle that the Packers will move inside and that is a common trait, but his short area testing results are far below any of the guys they taken in the past and had success with. With that said, the testing results we get don't test what kind of heart a man has to compete and that is important for a player on the interior offensive line. Fingers crossed on this one. The selected him with the first pick in the 5th round at 138 overall. Miss.

The board was not out-of-the-park successful this year, but was not a disaster either. It is something I enjoy doing and hope those that used it found it helpful. We will never perfect a board because the public does not get all the information and even if we did, we don't know the teams view of that information. Still an enjoyable process.

       

 

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Re: Packers Big Board W.A.G.
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2018, 08:15:32 AM »
....The 2 misses were,

1.) Jaire Alexander, It is always tough when you whiff on the 1st round pick, but that is what I did. The historic measurables for Packers CB's has been soo long standing that I just didn't believe they would break from it, no less do it in the first round. He is a complete qualifier testing wise and his only shortcoming is his height.  But Gute's comments after the pick make me believe this an exception to the rule and not an adjustment to new benchmarks. Should be fun to watch playout in the future. The Packers selected him in the 1st round at 14 overall. Miss.

2.) Cole Madison, This is the one pick that is hard to get a hold on. He is a career college tackle that the Packers will move inside and that is a common trait, but his short area testing results are far below any of the guys they taken in the past and had success with. With that said, the testing results we get don't test what kind of heart a man has to compete and that is important for a player on the interior offensive line. Fingers crossed on this one. The selected him with the first pick in the 5th round at 138 overall. Miss.

Agree that Jaire is an exception, rather than an adjustment to the benchmark.  Think any draft team that is NOT willing to makes exceptions is probably foolish.  And the fact that the packers traded up expensively, a very valuable 3rd-round pick, is telling on how they were not just willing, but very, very, very eager to get this particular benchmark violation.  (We'll see whether his shortness plagues and compromises his career very badly as time goes by.) 

Interesting notes on Madison.  I hadn't seen his combine numbers, so they are bad, eh?  I find that curious, because the scouting report or two that I recall reading seemed to suggest that he had good, active feet, and that he was quite good at getting out on screens and stuff.  So seems an unexpected mis-match between the combine and the limited scouting report (that I happened to read.)  Also curious because I thought I saw something where he was an all-conference HS basketball player, which doesn't necessarily mean much, but would normally go with a guy who had athletic feet. 

I kinda wonder how meaningful combined numbers are for O-line guys, other than pure strength.  Amichae was a great tester, but looked really bad in my few views in exhibition. 

Not sure about how it works early int he draft, but once it gets to the practice-squad rounds, and UDFA, Packers seem to pretty much all about the combine numbers.  They usually spend their late picks on good-combine, good-Sparq athletes who score well but didn't play that well.   Looney for example seems to have all these high-end athletic measurements, but he seemingly was unable to apply them to beating blockers and making sacks or plays. 

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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2018, 11:30:26 AM »
I am not claiming Madison is a bad pick, I am fully behind him and the Packers on the pick. Hope he wins the starting RG spot from day one because he is just soo much better than everyone else. In digging into the guy the last couple of days, the first player that came to mind was Mark Tauscher. Both right tackles in college who didn't tests the greatest, but just got the job done down after down. Both with a HS basketball background also. Like everyone of them, it will be fun to watch and see how he grows and fits in.