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All-time Most Overpaid Packer (MOP)
« on: October 17, 2018, 11:18:44 AM »
Every team in the NFL has dished out lucrative, long-term deals that players never managed to live up to. GB has had their fair share, Joe Johnson's 6yr/$33M ('02), Hunt's 6yr/$25M ('03), Hawk's 5yr/$34M ('11) and Matthews' 5yr/$66M ('13), among others. Some of those deals were sensibly terminated early. Some weren't. Regardless, GB didn't get their moneys worth on any of them. Identifying the biggest overpayment in team history is somewhat tricky. You have to calculate the total payout as a percentage of the salary cap(s), then make a somewhat subjective assessment of a players production, or lack thereof. While all of the above contracts turned out to be bad deals for the team, none of them appear to represent the biggest overpayment in team history. All things considered, a case can be made that another one of GB's current players is in fact the All-Time Most Overpaid Packer. The MOP!

In '15, Randall Cobb signed a 4yr/$40M deal that constituted elite money for the WR position. During the previous season, Cobb had the great fortune of playing alongside Nelson, who by that time had worked himself into a truly elite WR. It was Nelson's talents, particularly his ability to stretch the field, that opened things up for Cobb to have a banner year (91 rec, 14.1 ypc) and get his monster deal. Yet in '15, sans Nelson, Cobb was exposed as little more than a complimentary player, unable to stretch the field, excel on the boundary or truly threaten defenses in any other way.

In the three full seasons Cobb has played since signing the current deal, he's been just a guy. Despite being in his physical prime and playing mostly with a Hall of Fame QB, he's posted a mediocre 10.2 ypc average on 4.6 rec/game. His widely touted "versatility" has been a myth. He's averaged 3.5 yds/carry out of the backfield and hasn't regularly returned kicks or punts. All told, he's produced ~50 yds of total offense per game over those three seasons. He hasn't scored many touchdowns either, averaging 4.7 per season. In short, Cobb production hasn't come close to justifying his salary in any of the first three seasons.

Now, six games into the final year, Cobb is still the same guy he's been since '15. Minus one fluky play vs. CHI, he's averaging 7.4 ypc on the season (11.4 overall). His meltdown vs. WAS was a key factor in that loss. And now he's missed three straight games with a hamstring injury. In his absence, GB posted it's three highest passing yardage totals of the season, with a bunch of rookies filling in. The offense doesn't seem to have missed Cobb at all.

Unlike many of GB's other bad deals, where the team cut their losses early, Cobb has inexplicably been allowed to play out his entire contract, unaltered, making nearly elite money for middling production the entire way. Whether he was injured or there were other mitigating circumstances for his pedestrian performance is irrelevant. The issue at hand is production and Cobb's contract has far exceeded his contributions on the field. Average slot receivers aren't drawing $10M deals in free agency. For example, Danny Amendola put up comparable numbers to Cobb the past three seasons in NE and signed a 2yr/$12M deal with MIA this offseason. GB could've cut Cobb, fully paid him or another veteran receiver and had money to spare. There was no compelling reason to fork over top dollar again for Cobb's services.

The book on Cobb's deal isn't fully written yet. There are still 10 games left in the season. If he continues to produce like he has since '15, he has to go down as the all-time MOP.

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Re: All-time Most Overpaid Packer (MOP)
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2018, 12:20:20 PM »
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Re: All-time Most Overpaid Packer (MOP)
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2018, 12:22:07 PM »
How about Martellus Bennett with his $8 million of cash paid to him for 7 games of dropped passes, an idiotic unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, little production, and fake injuries? Tack on a $4.2 million cap hit for the current 2018 season. Then he tops it off with running his mouth about the organization and the doctors.

Would gladly take Cobb's production, run blocking, contract, and team first approach over that mess.

Maybe Cobb hasn't lived up to his contract, but when accounting for salary inflation, it's a far stretch to say he's been a bigger failure than Joe Johnson and Cletidus Hunt. Just my opinion, but I don't think it's even comparable.

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Re: All-time Most Overpaid Packer (MOP)
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2018, 10:19:23 AM »
Cobb still makes plays and is a good player, Hunt and Johnson did nothing for the Packers after getting their contracts. The Hunt signing could be the worst especially since they chose to sign him over Vonnie Holiday

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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2018, 11:19:43 AM »
This one is easy: John Hadl. First we gave up five picks - 1,2,1,2,3 - then we gave him a nice contract. And we got 19 starts out of him. Someone should have gone to jail for this.
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2018, 12:00:06 PM »
This one is easy: John Hadl. First we gave up five picks - 1,2,1,2,3 - then we gave him a nice contract. And we got 19 starts out of him. Someone should have gone to jail for this.

Set the club back many years.  Dan Devine orchestrated that disaster.  Hadl btw way the last starting QB to wear a jersey number over #19.  He wore #21.

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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2018, 01:32:41 PM »
This one is easy: John Hadl. First we gave up five picks - 1,2,1,2,3 - then we gave him a nice contract. And we got 19 starts out of him. Someone should have gone to jail for this.

Set the club back many years.  Dan Devine orchestrated that disaster.  Hadl btw way the last starting QB to wear a jersey number over #19.  He wore #21.

That was the most brutal and harmful trade in Packers history. Is strong evidence for the case of separating the GM and HC positions. Someone needed to be in place to veto such a deal from a coach who was on his way out the door.
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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2018, 02:04:12 PM »
This one is easy: John Hadl. First we gave up five picks - 1,2,1,2,3 - then we gave him a nice contract. And we got 19 starts out of him. Someone should have gone to jail for this.

Set the club back many years.  Dan Devine orchestrated that disaster.  Hadl btw way the last starting QB to wear a jersey number over #19.  He wore #21.

That was the most brutal and harmful trade in Packers history. Is strong evidence for the case of separating the GM and HC positions. Someone needed to be in place to veto such a deal from a coach who was on his way out the door.

Agree with that. GMs and HCs that are already on the hot seat can get obsessed with veterans that just might "save my butt" that season. Generally they don't, and a HC/GM who is desperate to get that kind of guy will overpay, and worry about financial consequences later (if there is a later). If you think a HC and/or GM is in their last season, then either have a veto on purchases, or set a cap-spend limit for him/them.

Even though neither of these were the picks of a hot-seat coach, you need to try your damnedest to avoid the Joe Johnson (2002) or Martellus Bennett (2017) acquisitions.
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Re: All-time Most Overpaid Packer (MOP)
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2018, 05:10:34 PM »
This one is easy: John Hadl. First we gave up five picks - 1,2,1,2,3 - then we gave him a nice contract. And we got 19 starts out of him. Someone should have gone to jail for this.

Set the club back many years.  Dan Devine orchestrated that disaster.  Hadl btw way the last starting QB to wear a jersey number over #19.  He wore #21.

I was reading more about that trade last month and found out that before the Hadl trade the Packers had an agreement with the Saints for Archie Manning but the Saints qb got hurt so they kept Manning and the trade fell through

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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2018, 05:28:40 AM »
I was reading more about that trade last month and found out that before the Hadl trade the Packers had an agreement with the Saints for Archie Manning but the Saints qb got hurt so they kept Manning and the trade fell through

Yep... Simple things that change an entire franchise.

Something along those lines is how close the Packers were to picking Barry Sanders over Tony Mandarich... Infanti was demanding the Packer take Sanders.  Braatz was about 50/50 the day before the draft, but went Mandarich primarily because he was such an all time prospect, but also because he thought the Packers were set at RB with the immortal Brent Fullwood. 


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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2018, 05:31:53 AM »
This one is easy: John Hadl. First we gave up five picks - 1,2,1,2,3.


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Re: All-time Most Overpaid Packer (MOP)
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2018, 09:07:13 AM »
Hands down - - NICK PERRY totally useless!

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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2018, 09:25:27 AM »
Cletidus Hunt had a pretty good year when his contract was coming up in 2002 (5.5 Sacks, 11 TFL), got a 6 year, 25 million dollar contract and never had those numbers again. He was cut a few years later and was notorious for being lazy and having a poor attitude. The contract numbers aren't huge by today's standards, but were sizeable back then.

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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2018, 11:58:30 AM »
Martellus Bennett.

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« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2018, 04:24:48 PM »
Cletidus Hunt had a pretty good year when his contract was coming up in 2002 (5.5 Sacks, 11 TFL), got a 6 year, 25 million dollar contract and never had those numbers again. He was cut a few years later and was notorious for being lazy and having a poor attitude. The contract numbers aren't huge by today's standards, but were sizeable back then.

This.

Who wakes up and gives Perry $10-$11 million a year? 

Unbelievable.

Isiah Thomas must be involved at some level.

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