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Re: Who will or should be the next head coach of the Packers!!
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2018, 02:14:33 PM »
If MM is gone, so these were the names I had down:

Riley (Sooners HC)


Yes please!

For years, I've disregarded all the MM hate... But, in my Kevin Greens voice- "it's time".


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Re: Who will or should be the next head coach of the Packers!!
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2018, 06:11:39 AM »
Mike McCarthy until he quits or is fired. Everything else is kind of silly since there will be tons of factors that at this point are unknowable.

Since we don't have to factor in any of the unknowns like availability, affordability, desire for the job...
 why not say Bill Belichick it makes as much and/or as little sense as...
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Re: Who will or should be the next head coach of the Packers!!
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2018, 08:26:53 AM »
It's common to figure that players win games, not coaches.  And that I should be too grown up to be like 7th-grade me who thought a new coach might fix lots of things. 

Seeing the impact of the Bucks going from Jason Kidd to Budenholzer does remind me that maybe my 7th grade self wasn't all wrong, and that coaching can (sometimes) make a difference? 

Yes, I know, football is a different game than basketball, I realize.  (And I can't imagine MM is as negative an influence as was Kidd.....)

I disagree with you here. A good coach makes all the difference. A good coach uses the talent he has and shapes his game plan and philosophy accordingly. Bellechik is a master at this, as was Lombardi. Having a roster full of superstars doesn’t garantee a Super Bowl.A ship needs a good captain.

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Re: Who will or should be the next head coach of the Packers!!
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2018, 02:23:12 PM »
And some might argue that the 28th winningest NFL coach of all-time would qualify as a good coach/captain

Rk   Coach   Yrs   Yr-Yr   G   W   L   T   W-L%   G > .500   Yr plyf   G plyf   W plyf   L plyf   W-L%   AvRk   BstRk   Chmp   SBwl   Conf
1   Don Shula+   33   1963-1995   490   328   156   6   .677   172   19   36   19   17   .528   1.8   1   2   2   6
2   George Halas+   40   1920-1967   497   318   148   31   .682   170   8   9   6   3   .667   2.7   1   6   0   0
3   Bill Belichick   24   1991-2018   376   256   120   0   .681   136   16   39   28   11   .718   1.7   1   5   5   8
4   Tom Landry+   29   1960-1988   418   250   162   6   .607   88   18   36   20   16   .556   2.4   1   2   2   5
5   Curly Lambeau+   33   1921-1953   380   226   132   22   .631   94   5   5   3   2   .600   3.2   1   6   0   0
6   Paul Brown+   25   1946-1975   326   213   104   9   .672   109   15   17   9   8   .529   2.0   1   7   0   0
7   Marty Schottenheimer   21   1984-2006   327   200   126   1   .613   74   13   18   5   13   .278   2.0   1   0   0   0
8   Chuck Noll+   23   1969-1991   342   193   148   1   .566   45   12   24   16   8   .667   2.1   1   4   4   4
9   Dan Reeves   23   1981-2003   357   190   165   2   .535   25   9   20   11   9   .550   2.7   1   0   0   4
10   Andy Reid   20   1999-2018   312   190   121   1   .611   69   13   24   11   13   .458   2.0   1   0   0   1
11   Chuck Knox   22   1973-1994   334   186   147   1   .558   39   11   18   7   11   .389   2.6   1   0   0   0
12   Jeff Fisher   22   1994-2016   339   173   165   1   .512   8   6   11   5   6   .455   2.8   1   0   0   1
13   Bill Parcells+   19   1983-2006   303   172   130   1   .569   42   10   19   11   8   .579   2.5   1   2   2   3
14   Tom Coughlin   20   1995-2015   320   170   150   0   .531   20   9   19   12   7   .632   2.5   1   2   2   2
15   Mike Shanahan   20   1988-2013   308   170   138   0   .552   32   8   14   8   6   .571   2.6   1   2   2   2
16   Mike Holmgren   17   1992-2008   272   161   111   0   .592   50   12   24   13   11   .542   1.8   1   1   1   3
17   Bud Grant+   18   1967-1985   259   158   96   5   .621   62   12   22   10   12   .455   1.9   1   0   0   4
18   Joe Gibbs+   16   1981-2007   248   154   94   0   .621   60   10   24   17   7   .708   2.4   1   3   3   4
19   Steve Owen+   24   1930-1953   270   153   100   17   .605   53   10   10   2   8   .200   2.3   1   2   0   0
20   Bill Cowher   15   1992-2006   240   149   90   1   .623   59   10   21   12   9   .571   1.9   1   1   1   2
21   Marv Levy+   17   1978-1997   255   143   112   0   .561   31   8   19   11   8   .579   2.7   1   0   0   4
22   Tony Dungy+   13   1996-2008   208   139   69   0   .668   70   11   19   9   10   .474   1.8   1   1   1   1
23   John Fox   16   2002-2017   256   133   123   0   .520   10   7   15   8   7   .533   2.4   1   0   0   2
24   Hank Stram+   17   1960-1977   238   131   97   10   .574   34   5   8   5   3   .625   2.2   1   2   1   2
25   Weeb Ewbank+   20   1954-1973   266   130   129   7   .502   1   4   5   4   1   .800   3.0   1   3   1   1
26   Marvin Lewis   16   2003-2018   248   130   115   3   .530   15   7   7   0   7   .000   2.3   1   0   0   0
27   Jim Mora   15   1986-2001   231   125   106   0   .541   19   6   6   0   6   .000   2.9   1   0   0   0
28   Mike McCarthy   13   2006-2018   199   124   73   2   .628   51   9   18   10   8   .556   1.8   1   1   1   1
29   Sid Gillman+   18   1955-1974   228   122   99   7   .552   23   6   6   1   5   .167   2.6   1   1   0   0
30   Mike Ditka+   14   1982-1999   216   121   95   0   .560   26   7   12   6   6   .500   2.6   1   1   1   1
31   Mike Tomlin   12   2007-2018   183   120   62   1   .658   58   8   15   8   7   .533   1.6   1   1   1   2
32   Dick Vermeil   15   1976-2005   229   120   109   0   .524   11   6   11   6   5   .545   3.0   1   1   1   2
33   George Allen+   12   1966-1977   168   116   47   5   .712   69   7   9   2   7   .222   1.9   1   0   0   1
34   Pete Carroll   13   1994-2018   199   116   82   1   .585   34   8   17   10   7   .588   2.3   1   1   1   2
35   George Seifert   11   1989-2001   176   114   62   0   .648   52   7   15   10   5   .667   1.9   1   2   2   2
36   Norv Turner   15   1994-2012   237   114   122   1   .483   -8   4   8   4   4   .500   2.5   1   0   0   0
37   Dennis Green   13   1992-2006   207   113   94   0   .546   19   8   12   4   8   .333   2.5   1   0   0   0
38   Don Coryell   14   1973-1986   195   111   83   1   .572   28   6   9   3   6   .333   2.8   1   0   0   0
39   Sean Payton   12   2006-2018   183   111   72   0   .607   39   6   12   7   5   .583   2.0   1   1   1   1
40   Buddy Parker   15   1949-1964   188   104   75   9   .581   29   3   4   3   1   .750   3.2   1   2   0   0
41   John Madden+   10   1969-1978   142   103   32   7   .759   71   8   16   9   7   .563   1.3   1   1   1   1
42   John Harbaugh   11   2008-2018   168   98   70   0   .583   28   6   15   10   5   .667   2.2   1   1   1   1
43   Tom Flores   12   1979-1994   184   97   87   0   .527   10   5   11   8   3   .727   3.3   1   2   2   2
44   Jon Gruden   12   1998-2018   183   96   87   0   .525   9   5   9   5   4   .556   2.4   1   1   1   1
45   Vince Lombardi+   10   1959-1969   136   96   34   6   .738   62   6   10   9   1   .900   1.5   1   5   2   2
46   Lou Saban   16   1960-1976   201   95   99   7   .490   -4   4   4   2   2   .500   3.0   1   2   0   0
47   Jack Del Rio   12   2003-2017   187   93   94   0   .497   -1   3   4   1   3   .250   2.8   2   0   0   0
48   Bill Walsh+   10   1979-1988   152   92   59   1   .609   33   7   14   10   4   .714   1.8   1   3   3   3
49   Buck Shaw   12   1946-1960   150   90   55   5   .621   35   2   3   2   1   .667   2.6   1   1   0   0
50   Lovie Smith   11   2004-2015   176   89   87   0   .506   2   3   6   3   3   .500   2.7   1   0   0   1
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Re: Who will or should be the next head coach of the Packers!!
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2018, 03:36:52 PM »
Would you, B? 

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Re: Who will or should be the next head coach of the Packers!!
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2018, 03:52:27 PM »
I consider McCarthy a good coach, he's ranked #28.  Then you go light years ahead of McCarthy up to #12 Jeff Fisher.  Whats happened to the Rams since Fisher left??? Just Sayin.

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Re: Who will or should be the next head coach of the Packers!!
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2018, 04:57:20 PM »
GM, Jeff Fischer was a good (never great) coach, who had success as a player and coach.

However, he was never a good fit with the Rams where he was 31-45-1 - he earned being fired.

Further,
regular season:
Fischer 173 - 165 - 1 - .512
McCarthy 124 - 73 - 2 - .628

post season:
Fischer 5 - 6 - .455
McCarthy 10 - 8 - .556

Fischer 22 seasons
McCarthy 13 seasons

Not a great comparison IMO. McCarthy has been a far more successful coach when placed in context/

craig, Yes.
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Re: Who will or should be the next head coach of the Packers!!
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2018, 07:21:37 PM »
GM, Jeff Fischer was a good (never great) coach, who had success as a player and coach.

However, he was never a good fit with the Rams where he was 31-45-1 - he earned being fired.

Further,
regular season:
Fischer 173 - 165 - 1 - .512
McCarthy 124 - 73 - 2 - .628

post season:
Fischer 5 - 6 - .455
McCarthy 10 - 8 - .556

Fischer 22 seasons
McCarthy 13 seasons

Not a great comparison IMO. McCarthy has been a far more successful coach when placed in context/

craig, Yes.

Did Jeff Fisher have Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers as Quarterbacks? McCarthy without those two is abysmal. He ran the worst offense in the league for two years in San Fran before getting the HC job in Green Bay. He got the job because he was a prior staff member. Not because he was impressive in his coordinator stint.
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Re: Who will or should be the next head coach of the Packers!!
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2018, 07:25:31 PM »
You severely underestimate the impact of a coach on a team.


He referenced the Bucks situation, so I don't know how he severely underestimated a coaches impact.

He said it can sometimes make a difference. It makes a difference all the time. No two coaches are the same, and they dictate everything from the practice tempo and excersizes to the teams weekly game plan. Coaches are one of the biggest factors in success. That's why they get paid the big bucks and are quick to get the axe if they dont deliver.
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Re: Who will or should be the next head coach of the Packers!!
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2018, 08:42:46 PM »
I have always said this: the only comparison I can think of to having Favre and then AR as your QB is the Montana/Young tandem.

MM had both for his entire duration and so far he has won one SB.

I have also said that you do not measure an excellent to great coach by if he wins one SB. You measure by consistency. 

BB has a great QB in Brady and he has won five rings..




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Re: Who will or should be the next head coach of the Packers!!
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2018, 09:46:24 PM »
This gets silly.

 ~ Vince Lombardi had hall of fame QB Bart Starr for all of his success
 ~ Bill Belichick didn't win until he had hall of fame QB Tom Brady. He was fired as a failure after  4 seasons in Cleveland where he compiled a 36 - 44 record.
~ Don Shula, the God father of winning coaches in the NFL with 328-156-6 (.678) had three Hall of Fame QB's Unitas, Griese and Marino. Don won ZERO championships with Dan Marino has his QB, he only one 1 with Unitas. Would any of you argue that he was not a GREAT coach? Ironically, his greatest successes came with Griese - the lesser talented of the three great QB's he had during his career.

Either a coach matters and gets credit when his teams win or they don't matter as much -- pick one because trying to argue both ways is nonsense.
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Re: Who will or should be the next head coach of the Packers!!
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2018, 01:37:12 AM »
There might be 10 coaches, ever, who played for a decent length of time and had a better win % than McCarthy. That is the statistic you most want to see in a head coach, consistency. That is a big plus against MM.

MM has had two HOF QBs in his time at GB, so expectations (of the fans) for him are very, very high. Just one SB is a minus.

So what we have here is a failure to communicate an endless roundabout, one side says he is a winner and should be kept, the other side says with the QBs he had, there should be more SBs.

I think MM has kept the Packers stable and competitive for a very long time. I also think that over time a coach can get stale (no matter how much they self-scout). So, as you can see I'm somewhat conflicted here. I do think a change in HC would be the final step in 'freshening up' the franchise (a process that started with the re-organisation of front office and coaches before this season), but I also recognise the odds of getting a coach in that is better than McCarthy are poor, probably somewhere around 30/70, maybe even less.

Advocates of change will dispute my 30/70, but I think it isn't far from the mark.  twocents)
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« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2018, 05:23:24 AM »
 goodpost OneTwoSixFive hard to argue with your well thought out balanced twocents)

BTW: Like you, I have no stake (other than the very unique situation for the NFL of being a shareholder) in whether or not the Packers retain McCarthy after this season. Change can be good, but if it is not managed well it can also lead to chaos and disaster. Fans can do whatever they please, but I believe talk of replacing a competent and successful coach during a football season where playoff and championship hopes are still of alive are at best premature and at worst reckless and undermining.

Here is what Bill Belichick, widely seen as a GREAT coach has to say on the topic:
“Mike’s one of the best coaches I’ve ever gone up against.”
“Coach McCarthy does a great job with this team, this organization,” Belichick said as the team’s preparations to face the Packers shifted into high gear. “It’s one of the great organizations in all of sports, certainly in the National Football League. I have a ton of respect for the way they’re run, what they do, how they do it, and how consistently they’ve done it.”

So back to my thoughts, Like last week, I am very much looking forward to watching our team facing another huge challenge on Sunday in Foxborough, in what should be another great football game.

 
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Re: Who will or should be the next head coach of the Packers!!
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2018, 07:19:18 AM »
Good series of post B and 1265, nice to see some rationale applied to this topic.

Last year when MM signed a one year extension, that should of told us all something.

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« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2018, 09:46:16 AM »
The other point is this: take a look at how successful he has been when AR was not playing. 

This undermines the point you three are making above.

Now take a look at what BB did the year without Brady.