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The Big F***ing Rocket
« on: November 03, 2018, 04:31:36 PM »


Elon Musk's Big Falcon Rocket next to the Saturn 5 (moon rocket), Statue of Liberty, and Space Shuttle.

How does it work?

You launch one with fuel as a payload. The bottom half returns to earth and gets re-used. The top half goes into earth orbit.

You launch another with supplies for your mars colony. The bottom half returns for reuse. The top half docks with the refueler, then continues on to Mars and lands there, never to return.

You do this five or six times, until you have quite the collection of rockets and stuff on Mars. When the fuel runs out on the reloader, you return that to earth for reuse.

Then you do it again, but this time your payload is people. They're also on a one way trip. They collect up all the stuff on Mars and build a colony, where they live until the supplies run out.

Meanwhile, back on Earth, if there's still civilization, you keep sending supply rockets and people, building up the colony.

Your dream is the colony becomes self-sufficient before Earth loses the ability to send more rockets.

For this to happen, the Mars colony must have nuclear reactors and find water on Mars. And you need a fair bit of time before earth civilization crashes- several decades, dozens of launches, maybe more.

Perhaps you think civilization on earth will never crash. All I've got to say is I disagree; Steven Hawking disagreed, and Elon Musk disagrees.
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Re: The Big F***ing Rocket
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2018, 04:39:02 PM »


Elon's Colony
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Re: The Big F***ing Rocket
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2018, 04:40:38 PM »
Later. . .

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Re: The Big F***ing Rocket
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2018, 04:43:11 PM »
In Elon's words:

"Last century, we had two massive world wars — three if you count the Cold War," Musk said at the SXSW festival in Austin, Texas. "I think it's unlikely that we'll never have another world war again." He emphasized that he's not predicting an imminent global conflict, only that one is likely to occur at some point in the future, given humanity's track record. If and when that next big war occurs, Musk added, it could usher in a planet-wide "dark ages."

"Then we want to make sure that there's enough of a seed of human civilization somewhere else to bring civilization back and perhaps shorten the length of the dark ages," he said. "I think a moon base and a Mars base that could perhaps help regenerate life back here on Earth would be really important, and to get that done before a possible World War III."

A Mars base would be a sturdier civilization bulwark than a moon settlement because the Red Planet is farther from Earth, Musk added. But it's worth setting up shop on both worlds, as each outpost would thin our risk, he said.

"We're actually building that ship right now," he said, referring to a BFR spaceship prototype. "I think we'll probably be able to do short flights, short sort of up-and-down flights, probably sometime in the first half of next year." Musk has previously said that, if everything goes well with the BFR's development, the first crewed flights to Mars could lift off in the 2020s.

And getting back to existential threats: A global war and accompanying dark ages aren't at the top of Musk's list of concerns. At SXSW, he sounded the alarm once again about artificial intelligence (AI) and called for some form of public regulation of the rapidly advancing technology.

"The danger of AI is much greater than the danger of nuclear warheads, by a lot, and nobody would suggest that we allow anyone to just build nuclear warheads if they want. That would be insane," he said. "If humanity collectively decides that creating digital superintelligence is the right move, then we should do so very, very carefully — very, very carefully," Musk added. "This is the most important thing that we can possibly do."
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Re: The Big F***ing Rocket
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2018, 07:35:54 PM »
AI is for sure the biggest threat.  Once the birth of AI occurs and a computer can teach itself they estimate within weeks it will be 100,000 times smarter than humans.  Basically you give birth to a god.  Very scary proposition wouldn't you say?

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Re: The Big F***ing Rocket
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2018, 08:40:29 PM »
My software programmed every neural network chip ever made by humanity. No one else could figure out how to do the math. There are few people alive as good at ai as I am. I would not say current ai is a threat. I won't take ai seriously until we have artificial emotions.
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Re: The Big F***ing Rocket
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2018, 10:16:00 PM »
AI is for sure the biggest threat.  Once the birth of AI occurs and a computer can teach itself they estimate within weeks it will be 100,000 times smarter than humans.  Basically you give birth to a god.  Very scary proposition wouldn't you say?

Read this book when I was much younger. Notice that the author was writing about computer control of the world back in the '70's, when PCs were still in their infancy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_(novel)
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Re: The Big F***ing Rocket
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2018, 08:37:48 AM »
Watch “Colossus; The Forbin Project” A movie from the 70’s.
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Re: The Big F***ing Rocket
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2019, 09:44:04 AM »
My software programmed every neural network chip ever made by humanity. No one else could figure out how to do the math. There are few people alive as good at ai as I am. I would not say current ai is a threat. I won't take ai seriously until we have artificial emotions.

Did you ever work with Bob Lazar or know of him prior to 1989?!?!?!?! Serious question.

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Re: The Big F***ing Rocket
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2019, 11:36:02 AM »
I never met him.

I can tell you he says there's a secret department at Caltech where he got his PhD. I spent a summer doing a survey of Caltech's buildings, I've been in every room of every building. There is no secret department. If he had been there he would have been taking classes with me or my friends. He wasn't. Caltech is a very small school - about 650 undergraduates, another 700 grad students. Smaller than a typical high school. Everyone knows everyone. This statement of his is simply a lie.

He also says that anti gravity is part of the electro magnetic spectrum. No one who had passed sophomore physics would ever say such a thing. No one who understands sophomore relativity would say such a thing. This is actually easy to understand - if you're in a spaceship going fast, then the photons coming at you are shifted towards the blue, and the photons coming at you from behind are shifted to the red. This means anything in the electro magnetic spectrum can be shifted into the visible spectrum by being in a rocket going the appropriate speed. This means either all photons have anti gravity effects or none of them do. So ask yourself this question: can your flashlight make things float?

He also says he has a secret degree from mit, but I have to admit I don't know much about mit. However I find secret degrees hard to believe. I can tell you with certainty that Caltech wants to generate as many Nobel prizes as possible and you don't do that with secret degrees.

The guy has zero credibility with me.
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Re: The Big F***ing Rocket
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2019, 02:46:36 PM »
I never met him.

I can tell you he says there's a secret department at Caltech where he got his PhD. I spent a summer doing a survey of Caltech's buildings, I've been in every room of every building. There is no secret department. If he had been there he would have been taking classes with me or my friends. He wasn't. Caltech is a very small school - about 650 undergraduates, another 700 grad students. Smaller than a typical high school. Everyone knows everyone. This statement of his is simply a lie.

He also says that anti gravity is part of the electro magnetic spectrum. No one who had passed sophomore physics would ever say such a thing. No one who understands sophomore relativity would say such a thing. This is actually easy to understand - if you're in a spaceship going fast, then the photons coming at you are shifted towards the blue, and the photons coming at you from behind are shifted to the red. This means anything in the electro magnetic spectrum can be shifted into the visible spectrum by being in a rocket going the appropriate speed. This means either all photons have anti gravity effects or none of them do. So ask yourself this question: can your flashlight make things float?

He also says he has a secret degree from mit, but I have to admit I don't know much about mit. However I find secret degrees hard to believe. I can tell you with certainty that Caltech wants to generate as many Nobel prizes as possible and you don't do that with secret degrees.

The guy has zero credibility with me.

But, but...


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Re: The Big F***ing Rocket
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2019, 03:00:35 PM »
 There may be aliens. There may be aliens on Earth. Bob Lazar may be an alien. If he is, then aliens are liars.
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Re: The Big F***ing Rocket
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2019, 04:31:26 PM »
There may be aliens. There may be aliens on Earth. Bob Lazar may be an alien. If he is, then aliens are liars.

The real question is whether Mars is flat, like the Earth.
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Re: The Big F***ing Rocket
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2019, 05:35:39 PM »
There may be aliens. There may be aliens on Earth. Bob Lazar may be an alien. If he is, then aliens are liars.

The real question is whether Mars is flat, like the Earth.

I'm no expert and can't speak too assertively on the subject (disproving the flat Earth argument can be difficult for "normal" people.) But just from my own genuine interest gauge theories fundamentally disprove the "big" flat Earth arguments. Things like the electromagnetic field have symmetry to the point where a person with knowledge of trigonometry can understand the base equations. A lot of the time they like to think the Earth is a "dome" but that simply couldn't be possible with what we know about the Earth's electromagnetic fields. Coupled with flat Earth dogmas like the Van Allen radiation belt, this actually does exist, you can use most of their own arguments against them. The main problem is these people are not necessarily stupid but are intellectually disabled, and have developed a strict dogmas around this ideology.

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Re: The Big F***ing Rocket
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2019, 03:34:17 PM »
claymaker, that was a joke. A flippant remark. A jest. The Greeks figured out the Earth was roundl Erasthostones esmateded the circumference of the Earth by observation and extapolation all while standing in his garden in Alexandria, Egypt. He was off by a small amount, but considering the data he was using was oot extremely accurate, what he did was very, very impressive.
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