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Online OneTwoSixFive

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Re: '19 Mock v.1
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2018, 02:17:40 AM »

Speaking of draftniks.  Two guys at CBS sports did mocks recently One has the Pack taking a guard with the top pick ( to play next to DB) and a WR with the NO pick.  The other guy had them taking Edwards and a WR.  How can these clowns take a pay check in good conscience when they are so incredibly out of touch?

I had a good laugh over that, mancl. WR might have made sense if the Packers rookie receivers hadn't developed (and because they looked good, they are racking up valuable playing time). But a receiver, NOW, absolutely not. You let MVS, ESB and forgotten man J'Mon Moore continue to develop for another year, so you know what you already have, before you waste a pick. TE makes some sense, (we are talking round 2-3 here), but not WR.

As for a guard....... in round ONE (with the first of the two round one picks as well), Lord, they have no idea how the Packers roll. How many time have the Packers got to succeed drafting interior offensive linemen with 4th and 5th round picks, before CBS takes note. Even beyond that, they have ignored the usual policy of the Packers to take a tackle and convert him to guard, as they like the athleticism it gives them there.Their draft site was pretty pathetic last year (and kept going wrong), sad for a site I used to go to a lot.

Just look at what happened to the 49ers when they drafted Iupati (17th pick, round 1). He was an excellent guard, but the 49ers couldn't afford his second contract, because they were unwilling to commit $8m to an interior lineman. Then there is Jonathan Cooper, a first round pick that showed any position can bust, even guard.
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Re: '19 Mock v.1
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2018, 01:03:41 PM »
Generally solid picks here. Most areas addressed somewhere. Only thing I really took issue with was another CB in the first two rounds, when there when early picks could help at so many positions.
It guess it depends on what you think of Jackson as a potential starter. I'm not sold on him. How could anyone be? He wasn't impressive yesterday vs. a weak MIA passing offense and hasn't looked like a starting quality player this season. He appears half a click slow and may ultimately end up at safety.

Kevin King looks talented enough, but he's had chronic injury issues thus far. Banking on both Jackson and King as essentially full time players on the outside, with next to no talent behind them, seems too risky. You can't have a weak link at CB. If King can't stay healthy or Jackson doesn't progress, that's exactly what they'll have. Excepting OLB, the other pressing needs can be addressed either in free agency or later in the draft. Quality cover men don't last past the 3rd round, if that.

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Re: '19 Mock v.1
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2018, 03:05:16 PM »
I guess it depends on what you think of Jackson as a potential starter. I'm not sold on him. How could anyone be? He wasn't impressive yesterday vs. a weak MIA passing offense and hasn't looked like a starting quality player this season. He appears half a click slow and may ultimately end up at safety.

The Packers have invested 7 first or second round picks at DB, in the last five years. That is a heavy over-investment already. Now I understand that things sometimes don't work out in any given position group, but only 3 picks used on non-DBs, is already seriously under-investing in the rest of the team, you don't want to add even more to that unless you have to.

You must give Jackson time. He is, after all, a rookie, so no to another high pick at DB for 'just in case' scenarios. If Jackson still looks underwhelming (at CB) after two full years, fair enough. Richard Sherman, had an identical 40 time to Jackson (4.56) and both were the same weight (195lb), so while Jackson is shorter, he is stockier. Closer to home is Mike McKenzie (ran a 4.58), who is a similar size/weight and was a solid player for Green Bay.

I was impressed by how well Jackson played in college and how broke to the ball and racked up interceptions there. Imagine (for example) dismissing WR Adams after HIS second, fairly unexciting year in the league. One rookie year usually isn't enough to be sure, half a rookie year is even more premature. Not everyone can flash 'out of the box' in the way Alexander did.
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Re: '19 Mock v.1
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2018, 04:53:44 PM »
I guess it depends on what you think of Jackson as a potential starter. I'm not sold on him. How could anyone be? He wasn't impressive yesterday vs. a weak MIA passing offense and hasn't looked like a starting quality player this season. He appears half a click slow and may ultimately end up at safety.

The Packers have invested 7 first or second round picks at DB, in the last five years. That is a heavy over-investment already. Now I understand that things sometimes don't work out in any given position group, but only 3 picks used on non-DBs, is already seriously under-investing in the rest of the team, you don't want to add even more to that unless you have to.

You must give Jackson time. He is, after all, a rookie, so no to another high pick at DB for 'just in case' scenarios. If Jackson still looks underwhelming (at CB) after two full years, fair enough. Richard Sherman, had an identical 40 time to Jackson (4.56) and both were the same weight (195lb), so while Jackson is shorter, he is stockier. Closer to home is Mike McKenzie (ran a 4.58), who is a similar size/weight and was a solid player for Green Bay.

I was impressed by how well Jackson played in college and how broke to the ball and racked up interceptions there. Imagine (for example) dismissing WR Adams after HIS second, fairly unexciting year in the league. One rookie year usually isn't enough to be sure, half a rookie year is even more premature. Not everyone can flash 'out of the box' in the way Alexander did.

I'll second what OneTwoSixFive is saying here, and add that Jackson played mostly zone at Iowa, so he's having to learn man-press for Pettine.

He's going through some growing pains, but he has a high football IQ and top notch instincts. Give him a little time.

But I could envision a possible switch to Safety for next year. Let him play centerfield, read the QB and make plays on the ball. After all, he was a WR before converting to CB at Iowa.

I was also impressed with how Tony Brown is progressing. Man, if he can get it together between the ears, he has all the other tools to be a solid performer.

Also, Will Redmond was touted as a possible high draft pick before tearing up his knee dropped his draft stock to being a 3rd round pick.
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Daniel Jeremiah of NFL.com had this to say about Redmond shortly after the 2016 NFL draft: “If healthy, he could have snuck into the back end of the first round.  He has a big-time burst, but was unable to put time down on paper due to injury.”

I'll add that GB should resign Bashaud Breeland (give him Tramon's contract), and I think they can pass on drafting another CB next year.

Safety could likely be in the offering for next years draft. How high? Let's wait and see if Josh Jones and Raven Green can stack success on top of this weeks solid play.

I was pleasantly surprised by both of them. Would be great if their arrow's keep pointing up.

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Re: '19 Mock v.1
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2018, 08:27:11 PM »
 Nice posts. Lots to be excited about for the future. Players really seem to be taking to Pettine's defense and Gute isn't messing around when it comes to bringing players in.

 The strength of the draft so far is DL and Passrushers (finally!). It also looks like it could shape up to be a good OL and DB class too. You guys are more than likely right with Gute going with the BPA meets NEED strat in the 1st three rounds. After that though I can see a DB or two in later rounds if they are BPA, especially being armed with 10 picks.

 I see complaints about our O-line from some posters, but I think most the teams by far in the league would love to have ours. Sure there were some plays given up against some elite passrushers and times when Rodgers hung on to the ball for too long. Bulaga when healthy is still a really good player and they really seem to like Bell. I agree we need to think about the future at RT, but really don't see it as an emergency at this time.

 No doubt Gute will have another good draft, hopefully we finish the season on a good note instead of a bad one.