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no trade mock
« on: December 17, 2018, 09:32:11 PM »
Round 1 Pick 12: Allen, Josh, OLB, Kentucky (A)
Round 1 Pick 30: Fant, Noah, TE, Iowa (A-)
Round 2 Pick 12: Adams, Trey, OT, Washington (A)
Round 3 Pick 11: Jelks, Jalen, DE/OLB, Oregon (B+)
Round 4 Pick 12: Fuller, Jordan, FS, Ohio State (A+)
Round 4 Pick 14: Ivey, Martez, OT, Florida (A)
Round 5 Pick 12: Sagapolu, Olive, DT, Wisconsin (A+)
Round 6 Pick 12: Patrick, Jacques, RB, Florida State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 24: Mims, Denzel, WR, Baylor (A+)
Round 7 Pick 12: Hansen, Chase, SS, Utah (A+)

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here's mine
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2018, 12:27:21 PM »
Here's my first 2019 no-trade draft on first-pick.com. I see some similarities.

1a- Josh Allen, OLB- Kentucky(A)
1b- Brian Burns, DE- Florida State(A)
2- Noah Fant, TE- Iowa(A)
3- Bryce Love, RB- Stanford(A+)
4a- Prince Tega Wanogho, OT- Auburn(A+)
4b- Mitch Hyatt, OT- Clemson(A+)
5- Demarcus Christmas, DT- Florida State(A+)
6a- Isaiah Johnson, CB- Houston(A+)
6b- Nasir Adderley, CB- Delaware(A+)
7- Derwin Gray, OT- Maryland(A+)

Wanogho is an insane H/W/S LOT prospect even more athletic than Spriggs. Hyatt would fit in just about any spot on the line-- but could see him as Bulaga's replacement in '20. Christmas would succeed Daniels after this season, and Johnson and Adderley(yes, same family) are CBs who project to S at the next level. Gray would be an OT-to-OG conversion. The other picks shore up immediate needs.

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Re: here's mine
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2018, 11:33:48 PM »
Here's my first 2019 no-trade draft on first-pick.com. I see some similarities.

1a- Josh Allen, OLB- Kentucky(A)
1b- Brian Burns, DE- Florida State(A)
2- Noah Fant, TE- Iowa(A)
3- Bryce Love, RB- Stanford(A+)
4a- Prince Tega Wanogho, OT- Auburn(A+)
4b- Mitch Hyatt, OT- Clemson(A+)
5- Demarcus Christmas, DT- Florida State(A+)
6a- Isaiah Johnson, CB- Houston(A+)
6b- Nasir Adderley, CB- Delaware(A+)
7- Derwin Gray, OT- Maryland(A+)

Wanogho is an insane H/W/S LOT prospect even more athletic than Spriggs. Hyatt would fit in just about any spot on the line-- but could see him as Bulaga's replacement in '20. Christmas would succeed Daniels after this season, and Johnson and Adderley(yes, same family) are CBs who project to S at the next level. Gray would be an OT-to-OG conversion. The other picks shore up immediate needs.

Allen wont make it to 12 in my opinion, also, I dont think Love makes it to us in the 3rd.
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Re: no trade mock
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2018, 09:03:10 AM »
Josh might be gone by the time the Packers pick, but it's not impossible he is still there. Burns is a biscuit over 220lb, so I don't see the fit there (he's a 4-3 WLB for me). Love is gone in round 2. Wanogho looks like he might be Kofi Amichia mk2. As a whole the draft doesn't seem to work (for me) with fit problems, drafting guys who I think will be gone, and no safety taken.
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2018, 11:26:51 AM »
 Here is a small early board I put together of some players that could help us. Lots will change after the senior bowl and combine, this is where some may be available. Some of these names are being thrown around on draft sites and this board already. I think it's realistic to find a good ILB and S in free agency.

1a) DT Jeffery Simmons, S Deionte Thompson, DE/DT Raekwon Davis

1b) OLB/DE Montez Sweat, WR AJ Brown, WR Parris Campbell

 2) TE Noah Fant, WR Deebo Samuel, DE Zack Allen, OLB/DE Jaylen Ferguson, WR Marquise Brown

 3) S Juan Thornhill, S Jaquan Johnson, DT Dremont Jones, DL Gerald Willis III, OLB/DE Joe Jackson

 4) T/G Kaleb McGary, T/G Calvin Throckmorten, OLB/DE Austin Bryant, OLB/DE Chase Winovich, CB Damon Arnette

 5) RB Mike Weber, TE Kendall Blanton, T/G Max Scharping, S Jordan Fuller

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Re: no trade mock
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2018, 02:35:46 PM »
Here is a small early board I put together of some players that could help us. Lots will change after the senior bowl and combine, this is where some may be available. Some of these names are being thrown around on draft sites and this board already. I think it's realistic to find a good ILB and S in free agency.

1a) DT Jeffery Simmons, S Deionte Thompson, DE/DT Raekwon Davis

1b) OLB/DE Montez Sweat, WR AJ Brown, WR Parris Campbell

 2) TE Noah Fant, WR Deebo Samuel, DE Zack Allen, OLB/DE Jaylen Ferguson, WR Marquise Brown

 3) S Juan Thornhill, S Jaquan Johnson, DT Dremont Jones, DL Gerald Willis III, OLB/DE Joe Jackson

 4) T/G Kaleb McGary, T/G Calvin Throckmorten, OLB/DE Austin Bryant, OLB/DE Chase Winovich, CB Damon Arnette

 5) RB Mike Weber, TE Kendall Blanton, T/G Max Scharping, S Jordan Fuller


Juan Thornhill seems to be a guy on the rise. Drafttek rate him as #20th overall (up 39 spots from the previous evaluation). Several guys who know a bit about prospects seem to rate him highly, so at a guess I'd say he is a 2nd rounder. They also like Jaquan Johnson, not that big for a safety at 5'11", 190, but he is good at processing what he sees, is relentless and wraps up well.

I was seeing Throckmorten comfortably in round two, but I'm beginning to think he was over-valued and slides to somewhere in the third round. I'd tag Winovich as a third as well, but only because pass rushers are always in demand. Nice job, SET4YRS.
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Re: no trade mock
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2018, 02:49:15 PM »
after the combine no way Fant lasts into round 2.

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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2018, 04:04:16 PM »
 Thanks OneTwoSixFive, just getting an evolving board started. I wouldn't be shocked if an OT flew up the rankings after the combine and made it into our 2nd round one pick conversation. There are a lot of OL in this draft to be watching for at the senior bowl and combine, mauler guard types that could work out in the middle rounds.

 And Fargo, you are probably right about Fant. Teams overdraft TE's every year, elite TE's are a rare commodity.

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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2018, 06:03:41 AM »
I was using first-pick.com for that draft, not assigning value or guessing that my picks would be there. I agree Shinesman and OneTwoSixFive that Allen will be gone when we pick, but a year ago Josh Allen wasn't any bigger than Brian Burns(who currently weighs 235). Admittedly he'd need to add weight and muscle-- but a lot of the top Edge players look to be more akin to 4-3 DEs to me with average to below-average speed to play a 3-4 OLB(assuming we keep this defense). Bryce Love will likely be gone in rounds 1-2, agreed. The guy is an athletic marvel. Disagree on the Amichia comparison. Kofi was a 6' 3 5/8", 302 OG/C who ran a 4.99 40, Wanogho is a 6' 6 1/8", 307 OT with DT experience who runs a 4.78. I'd say he's closer to Terron Armstead than Kofi-- but will also be long gone before round 3, IMO. I took two CBs who project to S. Most pure safeties are pretty slow by comparison and are less athletic than the corners available. I'd rather take a corner with size than a true S all things being equal, and much like the Packers(if we stick to the zone blocking scheme)-- I'll take an athletic LT and move him rather than draft a pure G road grader. The draft is a projection and mostly a crapshoot-- good evaluators get paid big bucks to find the best fits for the big jump up from college speed to NFL speed, which is considerable, but it's hit and miss, obviously. Noah Fant is a very good player and will be solid in the NFL-- but I do believe he's a bit overvalued due to the lack of good receiving TEs in general. I'd like to hope the Packers can find a decent prospect at TE in this draft, but there aren't that many, IMO.

I do believe Green Bay makes a strong push for one of the top safeties in FA. Landon Collins is the obvious choice-- but it's looking like he gets tagged. Super smurf Lamarcus Joyner could be a good fit. I'd also like to think the Packers pursue one of the top pass rushers in FA-- whether that be Clowney, Ford, Orakpo or whoever. Give Jared Cook a call. It can't hurt. It might be tough to lure a Cook or a Jesse James to GB with Jimmy Graham already here-- but I can see it if we were to release him. Another TE I like is Grahams former teammate in Seattle and current Lion Luke Willson. Maybe Larry Fitzgerald would like to finish up in GB catching passes from AR? You never know. I think we are fine at WR even if Cobb leaves. They just need coaching and seasoning. Loved the Lazard signing. Agreed that we could find another decent starting ILB in FA. Denzel Perryman will be available. They have the money to make some serious hay and depending who becomes the HC, make a real run at another championship in '19, IMO.

If we shore up a few positions in FA, I would guess they package a few picks to move up here and there, but in a no trade scenario, here's a much more realistic draft just off the top of my head assuming they cut Perry, keep Bulaga and Graham and sign one of the top safeties and outside linebackers in FA:

1a- Montez Sweat, DE- Mississippi State (6' 5 2/8", 245- 4.78. He would convert to OLB if we stick to the 3-4.)
1b- Bryce Love, RB- Standford (5' 9 1/8", 202- 4.36. Unless they pursue Le'Veon Bell-- I think they need another dynamic playmaker to complement Aaron Jones.)
2-  Prince Tega Wanogho, OT- Auburn (6' 6 1/8", 307- 4.78. Spriggs is a bust. Time to roll the dice again. We need depth behind Bak.)
3-  Nasir Adderly, CB- Delaware (5' 11 2/8", 200- 4.5. He's been listed at both CB and S and is an instinctive playmaker with Packer roots who can return kicks.)
4a- Kaleb McGary, OT- Washington (6' 6 5/8", 324- 5.27. I also like this guy a lot. He would have to fall a bit to make it this far, IMO. Could be our RG then replace Bulaga in '20.)
4b- Caleb Wilson, TE- UCLA (6' 4 1/8", 235- 4.64. He needs to get bigger but can run and is a riser. Won't make it this far if he tears up the combine.)
5-  Terry Beckner, Jr., DT- Mizzouri (6' 3 2/8", 295- 5.08. Only falls this far due to the strong DL class. He'd play DE as Daniels' heir apparent. He has a quick-twitch burst.)
6a- Max Scharping, OT- Northern Illinois (6' 5 6/8", 320- 5.29. A Wisconsin boy who we'd convert to G. Has been used at TE and can play all over the line. Love this guy.)
6b- Ulysees Gilbert III, OLB- Akron (6' 2/8", 230- 4.56. A speedy playmaker who'd move to ILB.)
7-  CeCe Jefferson, DE- Florida (6' 1", 252- 4.64. Would battle for the final OLB spot.)