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Offline Noble Warrior

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« on: January 14, 2019, 10:12:40 PM »
First off, lets look at the Packers most glaring needs:

A starting free safety
shoring up the offensive line
outside pass rush
inside pass rush

What is available in free agency:

safeties:

1. Earl Thomas

2. Tyrann Mathieu

3. Lamarcus Joyner

4. Landon Collins

Linebackers:

1. Jadeveon Clowney

2. Dee Ford

3. C.J. Mosley

4. Terrell Suggs

Offensive Linemen

1. Donovan Smith

2. Trent Brown

3. Matt Paradis

4. Daryl Williams

5. Rodger Saffold

Who do the Packers target? In free agency, you're getting a somewhat known commodity. You just have to figure out how well they fit the system your team is running.

Now lets take a look at the draft:

Safety

Deionte Thompson
Lukas Denis
Johnathan Abram

Inside Linebackers

Devin White
Mack Wilson
Te'von Coney

Outside Linebackers

Josh Allen
Montez Sweat
Jachai Polite
Brian Burns
Oshane Ximines

Hybrid DE / OLB

Clelin Ferrell
Rashan Gary
Zach Allen
Jaylon Ferguson
Chase Winovich

Offensive Tackles

Jonah Williams
Greg Little
Jawaan Taylor
Dalton Risner
David Edwards
Andre Dillard
Yodny Cajuste
Kaleb McGary

Offensive Guards

Cody Ford
Michael Deiter
Chris Lindstrom

So, where is the value in this draft? What combination of free agency / draft will help the Packers the most?


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Re: Options
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2019, 02:32:21 AM »
Cap space available and bang for your buck has to be the main consideration. Worst thing that could happen is to go "all in" and hamstring yourself in future years.
In the near future we will be looking at re-signing Kenny Clark and ufa status of Mike Daniels and Blake Martinez.

Free agency:
I would look at finding a starting caliber free safety and right tackle. Those positions would be my main focus. I expect the good pass rushers to get tagged. Could possibly look at guys who have flashed potential at times, like Flowers and Shane Ray.

Draft:
Edge rusher would probably have to be number 1. Allen and Ferrell will both be gone by 12. Sweat will probably be gone by the time we get to New Orleans pick. Polite could be there.

Honestly, I would look at the best player available AT A POSITION OF NEED. If it ends up that we go Thompson, Lindstrom, Ferguson, so be it. As long as they do not waste picks and get good football players, it will help.
We will just have to see how things play out. Rome wasn't built in a day, but a year or two would be nice. I'm optimistic.
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Re: Options
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2019, 01:19:36 PM »
Tight ends are usually a lower priced Free Agent acquisition. 

I wasn't happy with the GB TE's this year.

I wouldn't mind seeing Jared Cook back in a Packer uniform.  Maybe Tyler Eifert?

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Re: Options
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2019, 02:51:20 PM »
Free agents:
RT Bobbie Massie (CHI)
S Tyrann Mathieu (HOU)
If they have enough cap room..............
Slot WR Golden Tate (PHI)
TE Jesse James (PITT)

Draft:
OLB
DL
OG
OT
ILB
RB
TE
S
CB
depending on how the board falls

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Re: Options
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2019, 04:47:04 PM »
Free agents:
RT Bobbie Massie (CHI)
https://247sports.com/nfl/chicago-bears/Article/Bobby-Massie-replaceable-Bear-2019-126351921/
S Tyrann Mathieu (HOU)
http://www.nfl.com/player/tyrannmathieu/2540180/profile
If they have enough cap room..............
Slot WR Golden Tate (PHI)
http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/13217/golden-tat
TE Jesse James (PITT)
https://www.cbssports.com/g00/fantasy/football/news/steelers-jesse-james-nearly-invisible-in-win/?i10c.ua=1&i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8%3d&i10c.dv=12

Draft:
OLB
DL
OG
OT
ILB
RB
TE
S
CB
depending on how the board falls

Every FA comes with baggage and questions. Same with draft picks. But picks are relatively cheap, while FA's tend to be more costly. So, being aware of possible shortcomings is very important. Personally, I'd target Landon Collins as a FA. He might be expensive, but he could be the next coming of Nick Collins. http://www.sportsforecaster.com/nfl/player/20245
For an OL, Rodger Saffold. Also going to be expensive, but would solidify the line immediately for a few years: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SaffRo20.htm

This of course assumes these guys get to FA, and are not tagged. But even a tag and trade would be worth exploring, IMO. As long as the price didn't get out of hand.
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Re: Options
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2019, 06:42:08 PM »
Free agents:
RT Bobbie Massie (CHI)
https://247sports.com/nfl/chicago-bears/Article/Bobby-Massie-replaceable-Bear-2019-126351921/
S Tyrann Mathieu (HOU)
http://www.nfl.com/player/tyrannmathieu/2540180/profile
If they have enough cap room..............
Slot WR Golden Tate (PHI)
http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/13217/golden-tat
TE Jesse James (PITT)
https://www.cbssports.com/g00/fantasy/football/news/steelers-jesse-james-nearly-invisible-in-win/?i10c.ua=1&i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8%3d&i10c.dv=12

Draft:
OLB
DL
OG
OT
ILB
RB
TE
S
CB
depending on how the board falls

Every FA comes with baggage and questions. Same with draft picks. But picks are relatively cheap, while FA's tend to be more costly. So, being aware of possible shortcomings is very important. Personally, I'd target Landon Collins as a FA. He might be expensive, but he could be the next coming of Nick Collins. http://www.sportsforecaster.com/nfl/player/20245
For an OL, Rodger Saffold. Also going to be expensive, but would solidify the line immediately for a few years: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SaffRo20.htm

This of course assumes these guys get to FA, and are not tagged. But even a tag and trade would be worth exploring, IMO. As long as the price didn't get out of hand.

Thanks for the links ricky.

So Chicago may not be enamored with Massie, but the writer did say he was "servicable". I'm not looking at him as a long term fix at RT. My mock draft has the Packers drafting one to develop behind Massie, and interestingly enough my pick "Dillard" was also mentioned in the article. Usng BUlaga's cap money to sign Massie would be a no brainer for me. At least he's available to play every week.

I like Collins too, but I think Mathieu will come a lot cheaper. And "The Honey Badger" brings a little of that "attitude" that the defense has been lacking, IMO. He may not be spectacular like Collins, but he's solid........again, IMO.

Tate caught 74 passes for two different teams in 2018. First time since 2014 he had less than 90 catches in a season. When was the last time Cobb had 90 or more catches?.........Answer: His contract year in 2014 and he's been all down hill from there. I'd at least explore what it would cost to bring him to GB. Yes. he's getting long in the tooth. He'll be 31 when the regular season starts. But he's available almost every single week. Something Cobb has had a very hard time doing his whole career. If the cost is within budget, I'd make him an offer.

Jesse James is a blocking TE first and safety valve receiver second. For MLF, who wants to use a power zone running attack, James could be a very good fit.

I also found it interesting that the Packers picked up WR Lazard off of JAX's practice squad late in the season and now have the former JAX OC, Hackett, on board. Hackett probably knows more about this kid than anoyone else in GB. Will be interesting to see if he thinks Lazard has a role in the new Packers offense. I think a 6-4/227 lb slot receiver sounds intriguing.

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Re: Options
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2019, 07:19:20 PM »
I think it's imperative that the Packers come away with 2-3 starters via free agency even if it's 1 or 2 year guys. As long as AR is here, I think that is the best way to try and win a championship each and every year for the next 3 or 4 years. Use the other tools to build and develop, but use free agency to hammer away at those areas of weakness amongst the starting units. Now I am saying to go crazy, but if you feel a particular position needs upgrading, then at least seriously kick the tires of the best at those areas on the free agent market.

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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2019, 09:47:20 PM »
A great scenario would be Clowney, if he hit the open market(doubt it). Or Suggs for a year or two, but he has the same love surrounding him in Baltimore as Ray Lewis did. One of them would be great, then if White fell to us at 12, and with the second pick we score Fant, or the TE from Bama, or Ximines (sp). That's a good start to the offseason.
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« Reply #8 on: Today at 02:50:10 AM »
First off, lets look at the Packers most glaring needs:

A starting free safety
shoring up the offensive line
outside pass rush
inside pass rush
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Now lets take a look at the draft:

Safety
Deionte Thompson
Lukas Denis
Johnathan Abram

I would pass up L.Denis and J.Abram (and Jaquan Johnson, if you rate him) for other guys that are more FS than SS. They would include Nasir Adderley, Juan Thornhill and Chauncey Gardner-Johnson. They all seem to fit in the late 2nd early third round area, though Thornhill's draft position has wide variance.

Hybrid DE / OLB
Clelin Ferrell
Rashan Gary
Zach Allen
Jaylon Ferguson
Chase Winovich

I'd add Charles Omenihu (Texas) to this group. Looks like a third round pick. https://draftwire.usatoday.com/2018/11/29/2019-nfl-draft-prospects-collegefootball-texas-charles-omenihu-scouting-report-interview/2/

Offensive Tackles

Jonah Williams
Greg Little
Jawaan Taylor
Dalton Risner
David Edwards
Andre Dillard
Yodny Cajuste
Kaleb McGary

Offensive Guards

Cody Ford
Michael Deiter
Chris Lindstrom

Risner, Cajuste and Ford all should be adept at playing both RG and RT, which would make them very attractive to the Packers who want RG help now and a starting RT after the end of the 2019 season when Bulaga's contract expires.

Answering the question as to where the value lies, it's all guesswork until the draft has happened, but you can make some assumptions on the grouping of talent. Round one (#12) could see an edge rusher like Polite, M.Sweat or, if lucky, Ferrell. The later round one pick looks good value for taking a versatile OT/OG like Cajuste or Ford. At free safety, later in round 2, to early in round three looks to be the sweet spot, with a choice of at least three.
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