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Re: 1st round favorites
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2019, 10:21:19 AM »
The key to a 3-4 is ILB who are fast and can attack the ball carrier after the line eats up the blocks. If you have average to slow ILBs your defense is going to suck. ILB & EDGE position was ignored by TT for years in favor of fixing the backend. The backend wasnt even broken, it just never had a front end that could get home. And the problem persists because they keep ignoring the positions of need.

The Packers are a long, long way from having ignored the ILB position. From 2015 to 2018 the got Ryan (4th), then Martinez (4th), then Josh Jones (hybrid ILB/S, 2nd), then Oren Burks (3rd). This is a substantial investment.

You want Reuben Foster ? He lasted one year with the 49ers. You want Vander Esch or Rashaan Evans, you have to give up Jaire Alexander to do it and have ZERO at CB. It's not that the Packers haven't invested regularly at ILB in recent years, it's that you wanted an elite ILB and the Packers don't want to pay that much for one, just like they don't pay first or second rounders to draft guards.
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Re: 1st round favorites
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2019, 12:46:09 PM »
The key to a 3-4 is ILB who are fast and can attack the ball carrier after the line eats up the blocks. If you have average to slow ILBs your defense is going to suck. ILB & EDGE position was ignored by TT for years in favor of fixing the backend. The backend wasnt even broken, it just never had a front end that could get home. And the problem persists because they keep ignoring the positions of need.

The Packers are a long, long way from having ignored the ILB position. From 2015 to 2018 the got Ryan (4th), then Martinez (4th), then Josh Jones (hybrid ILB/S, 2nd), then Oren Burks (3rd). This is a substantial investment.

You want Reuben Foster ? He lasted one year with the 49ers. You want Vander Esch or Rashaan Evans, you have to give up Jaire Alexander to do it and have ZERO at CB. It's not that the Packers haven't invested regularly at ILB in recent years, it's that you wanted an elite ILB and the Packers don't want to pay that much for one, just like they don't pay first or second rounders to draft guards.

Maybe that unwillingness to draft ILB or OG by TT/M3 is why we are having these difficulties..

Show me a team that has a GOOD defense and they will have GOOD ILB ...some even 2

M3 always touted a good running game but he never really used the RB much..He never involved the RB in the passing game but played the better pass blocker...Williams over Jones

They never drafted true OG but OT's because they wanted better pass blockers...….that I think tells me they wanted a passing team

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Re: 1st round favorites
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2019, 07:16:47 PM »
The key to a 3-4 is ILB who are fast and can attack the ball carrier after the line eats up the blocks. If you have average to slow ILBs your defense is going to suck. ILB & EDGE position was ignored by TT for years in favor of fixing the backend. The backend wasnt even broken, it just never had a front end that could get home. And the problem persists because they keep ignoring the positions of need.

The Packers are a long, long way from having ignored the ILB position. From 2015 to 2018 the got Ryan (4th), then Martinez (4th), then Josh Jones (hybrid ILB/S, 2nd), then Oren Burks (3rd). This is a substantial investment.

You want Reuben Foster ? He lasted one year with the 49ers. You want Vander Esch or Rashaan Evans, you have to give up Jaire Alexander to do it and have ZERO at CB. It's not that the Packers haven't invested regularly at ILB in recent years, it's that you wanted an elite ILB and the Packers don't want to pay that much for one, just like they don't pay first or second rounders to draft guards.


Exactly, you get what you pay for. Sure, you may find the next Teddy Bruschi, but it doesn't happen very often. The top LBs in this league were drafted high and are paid well, because as much as folks want to believe in TTs philosophy that they didnt matter, they are the key piece in the defense.
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Re: 1st round favorites
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2019, 02:24:14 PM »
I think pretty much any position is up for grabs in the first round with the exception of maybe QB and Center. My gut says we'll take Defense with the first pick and Offense with the second pick. If I'm going to have a "preference", I'm all about PASS RUSH, PASS RUSH, PASS RUSH, whether it's from a Linebacker or the Defensive Line. Second option would be an upgrade at O-Line, preferably a Guard or Tackle.

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Re: 1st round favorites
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2019, 02:35:38 AM »
Honestly at #12 I like Devin White. 

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Re: 1st round favorites
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2019, 04:07:57 PM »
Devin White is a beast at ILB as others have noted.  Pettine's D relies more upon ILB than the Capers led defense.  Pettine's D has always functioned best in the middle of the field when he has a true "chase" ILB that can go sideline to sideline with speed.  I would be interested to know the plan for Burks and if there is an expectation that he can make that jump in year 2.  THAT would be the dream scenario.  I do not think that Ryan will be back as he was slower before the injury and would probably be looking for a multi-year deal, not sure if he can get that right now.

This MUST be an impact draft.  There will available DL/Edge players at both of the top 2 picks.  OL is not a position of strength in this draft.  It would be amazing if GB could find an impact DL/Edge AND fix the OL in the first round and have a draft with a similar impact as NO's draft of a couple years ago. 

At DL/Edge I currently like:
Allen
Polite
Ferrel
Sweat

At OL I like:
Taylor
Little
Williams

GB might rely more on scheme and less on this year's draft for improvement at WR.  I would look for a TE to be drafted as they are difficult to develop, this draft has a few, and GB is probably really looking for that SB run 2-3 years from now which would give time for development.  Safety could definitely be addressed in FA as there are candidates and the market is soft.  There is the possibility for a steal at S.  The other possibilities are moving Jackson (I am curious if there has been talk of this) and I would keep Williams at Safety as he is a versatile veteran.
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Re: 1st round favorites
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2019, 09:38:28 PM »
Honestly at #12 I like Devin White.

Couldn't agree more
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« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2019, 01:34:37 PM »
The key to a 3-4 is ILB who are fast and can attack the ball carrier after the line eats up the blocks. If you have average to slow ILBs your defense is going to suck. ILB & EDGE position was ignored by TT for years in favor of fixing the backend. The backend wasnt even broken, it just never had a front end that could get home. And the problem persists because they keep ignoring the positions of need.

The Packers are a long, long way from having ignored the ILB position. From 2015 to 2018 the got Ryan (4th), then Martinez (4th), then Josh Jones (hybrid ILB/S, 2nd), then Oren Burks (3rd). This is a substantial investment.

You want Reuben Foster ? He lasted one year with the 49ers. You want Vander Esch or Rashaan Evans, you have to give up Jaire Alexander to do it and have ZERO at CB. It's not that the Packers haven't invested regularly at ILB in recent years, it's that you wanted an elite ILB and the Packers don't want to pay that much for one, just like they don't pay first or second rounders to draft guards.


Darwin James would look good also..Vander Esch is a stud...but we took Alexander.... I don't doubt his ability but I've thought about this and wonder ...at those 3 vital positions on the D CB...FS...ISLB.. which is easiest to find or players to fill and still have a good D..

I really think James at FS is the hardest to find...we've had Leroy and Nick over the last 25 yrs?...how many game changing ISLB have we had in t hat same span.....but now count the CB's...far easier to find in FA.....UDFA and draft CB's than at FS/ISLB


Best bet is to put CM3 at ISLB for a yr or so...we really need a Safety NOW

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Re: 1st round favorites
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2019, 10:20:09 PM »
I hope we can get White at #12 and move up to take Sweat as well. Sweat literally ran over a tackle in senior bowl drills and is making a showing from reports on the stream. Great tandem to start the draft.
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Re: 1st round favorites
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2019, 04:19:22 PM »
I would very much like those picks, Shinesman.  A little early to predict but might be able to hang tight and get Sweat right where GB is sitting.
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Re: 1st round favorites
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2019, 08:02:22 PM »
I would very much like those picks, Shinesman.  A little early to predict but might be able to hang tight and get Sweat right where GB is sitting.

I think it will depend on his combine, but Witherspoon early run on edge rushers, I doubt he makes it to 30.
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Re: 1st round favorites
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2019, 08:29:54 PM »
Jachai Polite looks better and better at 12 if White is gone. This is a good reel that shows him being fundamentally sounds, staying home on fakes, and being an absolute monster. I would advise muting it as the music is vulgar and unintelligent, but his highlights are impressive
https://youtu.be/5wwzoommDlk
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« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2019, 10:45:49 PM »
Jachai Polite looks better and better at 12 if White is gone. This is a good reel that shows him being fundamentally sounds, staying home on fakes, and being an absolute monster. I would advise muting it as the music is vulgar and unintelligent, but his highlights are impressive
https://youtu.be/5wwzoommDlk

Ironically, character issues involving “accountability” and “maturity” could affect his draft position.
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Re: 1st round favorites
« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2019, 03:54:28 PM »
Jachai Polite looks better and better at 12 if White is gone. This is a good reel that shows him being fundamentally sounds, staying home on fakes, and being an absolute monster. I would advise muting it as the music is vulgar and unintelligent, but his highlights are impressive
https://youtu.be/5wwzoommDlk

Ironically, character issues involving “accountability” and “maturity” could affect his draft position.

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« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2019, 05:45:51 PM »
Jachai Polite looks better and better at 12 if White is gone. This is a good reel that shows him being fundamentally sounds, staying home on fakes, and being an absolute monster. I would advise muting it as the music is vulgar and unintelligent, but his highlights are impressive
https://youtu.be/5wwzoommDlk

Ironically, character issues involving “accountability” and “maturity” could affect his draft position.

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