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Offline dannobanano

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Tight Ends 2019
« on: January 22, 2019, 03:15:09 PM »
Read an interesting article at another site about GB's TE's. It's part 1 of a two part series.

Part 1 evaluates GB's 2018 TE's.

https://packerstalk.com/2019/01/22/packers-2019-tight-end-makeover-part-1/

In the analysis it suggests GB should move on from Graham and Kendricks, but should maybe keep Lewis (worked with Hackett in JAX) and certainly keep Tonyan (who's arrow is poiting up).

Part 2 will offer apotions viz FA and the draft.

My opinion of this is that I tend to agree with the writer. I think Lewis should be brought back. He was little used and misused this last season. I thought there would be lots of 2 and even 3 TE sets, but never saw that. Lewis alluded to MM not using TE's properly in and interviewe with Martellus Bennett. Even though I think Bennett is a d-bag, I think there thought's on MM were accurate. MM talked the big talk about using TE's, but he never really walked the walk on their use.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GreenBayPackers/comments/acjpfz/full_video_marcedes_lewis_martellus_bennett/

In free agency I'm going to suggest going after Tyler Kroft (Cincy). He had a breeakout year in 2017 and then suffered through injury in 2108 (only available for 5 games).

His NFL draft profile compared him Travis Kelce (lol!) and one of his college TE coaches was Packers outgooing TE coach Brian Angelichio. He's an athletic TE that can threaten the deep middle of the field and he is a tenacious blocker (likes to win his blocks). MIght be a good fit for MLF's new system.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/tyler-kroft?id=2552586

Lot's of options for TE's in the draft. Who they take will be a matter of how high in the draft they will feel compelled to address the TE position.

If the above things were to happen, it could push the TE choice farther down the list, unless someone unexpected drops in their lap.

If it is indded a latter round pick I might suggest Josh Oliver/San Jose St. (6-5/250/4.75). In 2018 he had 56 receptions/709 yards/4 TD's. Could be a good find.

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Re: Tight Ends 2019
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2019, 04:00:50 PM »
Lewis is the guy who called out AR for blatantly disregarding Mc Carthy's play calling.  I don't think AR will rush up to greet him at the beginning of camp.  Plus Lewis is slow making him a 1 dimensional player.

I would move on from everyone but Tonyan,then sign a cheap young guy like Jesse James who can block.  Kelce has just had too many injuries. 

This is a deep TE class, especially in the 2nd - 4th round area.  While a lot of people are on the Fant  bandwagon because of his athletic skills I like his teammate much more.
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Hockenson is a fun player to watch. In the passing game, he fights through press coverage and will stair-step defenders (fights through pass coverage and understands how to attack the leverage of defenders) down the field, helping to create some separation on crossers and deep-over routes. He tracks the ball naturally and his high-point skills are on display in the red zone. He is very physical after the catch and possesses adequate speed. Hockenson is at his best in the run game. He ragdolls defensive ends and linebackers. He had multiple pancake blocks in every game I studied. Overall, Hockenson is one of the best blocking tight ends I've ever evaluated and he is dependable in the passing game. He's a Day 1 impact player at the next level.

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Re: Tight Ends 2019
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2019, 04:31:15 PM »
Tyler Kroft injury and previous season production:

 http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24978991/tyler-kroft-cincinnati-bengals-broken-bone-foot-meet-specialist-determine-surgery-needed

If he was used correctly, which is hopefully why the team brought in MLF, then sure, bring him in. He shouldn't be too costly, and is young. Draft a guy also, but not in the first three rounds. Add a safety in FA, and even a blitz LBer if possible, and suddenly this team looks a lot different.
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Re: Tight Ends 2019
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2019, 05:00:48 PM »
Both of these guys are expected to go in the mid 1st/early 2nd round

https://www.facebook.com/BTN/videos/tj-hockenson-noah-fant-week-7-highlights/331331847444852/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfUYGa43mvw

Depending on what they do in free agency, I would not hesitate to take Hockenson at #30.

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Re: Tight Ends 2019
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2019, 05:14:49 PM »
Tyler Kroft injury and previous season production:

 http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24978991/tyler-kroft-cincinnati-bengals-broken-bone-foot-meet-specialist-determine-surgery-needed

If he was used correctly, which is hopefully why the team brought in MLF, then sure, bring him in. He shouldn't be too costly, and is young. Draft a guy also, but not in the first three rounds. Add a safety in FA, and even a blitz LBer if possible, and suddenly this team looks a lot different.

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Packers new LB coach Kirk Olivadotti coached and developed one of the decent FA OLB's of this years free agency (Preston Smith).

There is some buzz that he may try to help BG pry Smith out of WASH if Smith makes it to UFA.

Back on topic:
mancl...........

I love Hockenson, but it will likely take the late 1st round pick to snag him.............he might even be gone by then (maybe).

Given all the other holes GB has to fill, if (IF) they do sign a FA prior to the draft, it makes it a stretch that they would spent that high a draft pick on a TE.

Not saying it won't happen, but I just can't see them spending FA money AND a 1st round pick on TE. JMHO of course.

But, YEAH!, I'd love to see Hockenson in G&G!!

If you can find a way to push him down to #44.......................I'm all in!

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Re: Tight Ends 2019
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2019, 10:40:03 AM »
Life long Hawkeye fan here.
Hock has become the flavor of the month as justly so. If we end up with him it will be a big upgrade. Zero holes in his game.

But Fant is going to be special. Very special. He is uncoverable by LBs and can run away from safeties. Red zone machine. His blocking is good but not as good as Hock.
Are we really looking for a TE that can block or one that can really stretch the field. If both are going around the late 1st or early 2nd give me Fant.

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Re: Tight Ends 2019
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2019, 11:30:22 AM »
Packers will likely be installing an outside power zone blocking scheme. It's what they used in TEN and I think also in SF, where OL-coach Stenovich was coaching.

Having a good blocking TE would be a plus in this scheme, but I have serious doubts that Hockenson will last until pick #30, and given all the other (more immediate) needs it's hard for me to imagine they would use a 1st rounder on TE.

But.........................never say never.

He'd be a great addition to the offense.

Fant reminds me of CJ Fiedorowicz, too bad concussions did him in. (trivia: CJ and Bulaga both grew up in Crystal Lake, Ill)

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Re: Tight Ends 2019
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2019, 01:10:14 PM »
Life long Hawkeye fan here.
Hock has become the flavor of the month as justly so. If we end up with him it will be a big upgrade. Zero holes in his game.

But Fant is going to be special. Very special. He is uncoverable by LBs and can run away from safeties. Red zone machine. His blocking is good but not as good as Hock.
Are we really looking for a TE that can block or one that can really stretch the field. If both are going around the late 1st or early 2nd give me Fant.

Iowa fan also here....let me ask you one question about Hock/Fant talk.....who will stay grounded after success/big contract

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Re: Tight Ends 2019
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2019, 02:39:41 PM »
Staying grounded, I assume you refer to Fant sitting out the bowl game and some of his brother's talk.
Fant declared before the bowl game and Hock afterwards, so I'll cut Fant a bit of slack for that. McCaffery seems do be doing well, so the bowl skipping (which I dislike) shouldn't mean much.
Fant hung in  while the offense used him as a decoy late in the season  Never complained and did not fall for his brother's talk. I see no problem on the grounding front.
 Given all things being equal in the draft who do you really want Rodgers to be throwing to? Hock will be good and maybe great, Fant will be great IMHO.
 But as I said before Hock would be a big upgrade and will shed no tears if he is in GB next year. 
 Sorry for the edits, But I was trying to think of any Iowa player who became something else after a big contract and came up with none. Iowa guys just aren't about that, as you know, it's character first for
Ferentz and his staff. Can't see Fant being different.
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Re: Tight Ends 2019
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2019, 03:40:38 PM »
Just don't know if Graham was bad or MM's plan didn't include him going over the middle. Regardless how many TEs that the Packers keep, here are three to keep an eye on...
Jace Sterberger-T A&M AA and catches the ball away from his body. Always came through in the clutch and reminds me of Andrews from OK last year.
Dawson Knox-Ole Ms Came out very early, but has good size and athletic ability. He's a real diamond in the rough.
Alex Beck-UT Beck will go in the 6th round. He's big, can catch, runs pretty good but no burner and he's the one guy that Green Bay needs.....He's a natural H-Back in that he blocks like a FB and would be great on ST. Kind of player that BB in NE uses in a hundred different ways.

Keep an eye on these three candidates for TE.
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Re: Tight Ends 2019
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2019, 09:15:08 AM »

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Team sources said that the most impressive prospects to them were three edge rushers. They said the best of the group on Tuesday was Mississippi State's Montez Sweat. A little bit behind him was Louisiana Tech's Jaylon Ferguson, and a bit behind Ferguson was Granderson. All three of them showed speed, functional strength, and natural feel as pass rushers.

Sources said Sweat (6-6, 252) entered the Senior Bowl as a prospect some saw as a late first-round or early second-round pick. Back at the East-West Shrine, some sources asked me if I thought Sweat would get to Round 2, and I said no. If he continues this caliber of play throughout the week of practice in Mobile, there will be no doubt that Sweat ends up being a first-round pick.

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Earlier this week, we reported that some underclassmen prospects like Greedy Williams, Jerry Tillery and Jachai Polite have character concerns. Of course, that list is going to expand greatly in the weeks and months to come as teams start to remove players from their draft board because of similar issues. Another early-round prospect WalterFootball.com has heard has some concerns about his makeup is Iowa tight end Noah Fant.

Sources say the issues with Fant are more along the lines of maturity. "There is some knuckle headedness to him," said one source. They also feel that Fant really needs to improve his blocking and hands. However, they feel that Fant can run well for his position, so despite those concerns, they think he could go in the 40-60 range of the second round.


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Re: Tight Ends 2019
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2019, 02:20:25 PM »
mancl............
You should just start a Senior Bowl thread.

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Re: Tight Ends 2019
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2019, 05:29:49 PM »
..........Sources said Sweat (6-6, 252) entered the Senior Bowl as a prospect some saw as a late first-round or early second-round pick. Back at the East-West Shrine, some sources asked me if I thought Sweat would get to Round 2, and I said no. If he continues this caliber of play throughout the week of practice in Mobile, there will be no doubt that Sweat ends up being a first-round pick.

Tony Pauline, attending the Senior Bowl, said he felt there was no way Sweat should be a first round pick. He said that although Sweat showed some flashes he was often dominated and felt that despite having a very good college career, he would struggle at the NFL level. He had him as a higher 2nd round pick. Seems there are several opinions on him, but of course we are into maximum misinformation time, from now until the draft, and even if neither opinion is that, scouts disagree all the time over players.
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Re: Tight Ends 2019
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2019, 07:14:51 PM »
Danno- Not sure if you were referring to the Senior Bowl thread I did start.   I just meant to post the piece about Fant- I somehow made a mistake and included a lot more

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Re: Tight Ends 2019
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2019, 08:31:39 PM »
Watched both of their highlights. I'll take Hockensen. He made contested catches in tighter coverage, found zone soft spots well, and actually outran his coverage. Fant seemed to be the beneficiary of blown coverages in quite a bit of his decent gains. Hockensen looks to have more concentration in the catch as well.
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