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Offline PackerJoe

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Linebackers in latter part of draft
« on: April 23, 2019, 11:53:16 AM »
I've been preaching the last ten years about the lack of talent at the linebacker position on this team.  By talent, I mean youth, speed, agility, tenacity, etc.  So I thought that just prior to the draft I would throw out some names that have been dropping from potential 3rd rd'ers to now 5th rd type picks.  This is nothing unusual as this has been going on for the previous ten to fifteen years as we get closer to the actual draft.  So rather than complain, I thought I would throw out some names.  Some you are familiar with, others maybe not.

Khalil Hodge (Buffalo)    308 tackles in 2 seasons!
Ben Burr Kirven (Washington)     338 tackles in 4 seasons!
Tre Lemar/Kendall Joseph (Clemson)  MLB/OLB on championship team  Tackling machines - Joseph has been playing since he was a freshman!
Jordan Kunasczak (California)  Tackling machine and plays sideline to sideline!

We need depth and talent at this position!  Most of these guys run around 4.5/4.6, so that answers the speed questions.  (Speed, Tenacity, all have a number of sacks, interceptions, etc.)  We need some folks on special teams, too!  Given our lack of talent and depth at this position, we might see 2-3 starters in this group!  Again, I've been around for awhile and am a little old school.  I'm looking for a Wayne Simmons type linebacker that doesn't take prisoners, lives in the opponents backfield, can cover a tight end like a blanket and hates running backs and quarterbacks!   soapbox

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Re: Linebackers in latter part of draft
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2019, 12:11:11 PM »
I really these guys and one of my favorites is Germaine Pratt, from NC St. He's 6-2, 240 and can move. I just think he and Martinez would be a great second wave.
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Re: Linebackers in latter part of draft
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2019, 01:41:05 PM »
This actually a refreshing post from you PackerJoe. Yes you have been pounding the table for 10 years about LB's and isn't it ironic that about 10 years ago is when the Packers switched to a 3-4 defense. Now does that mean anything in the draft? I have heard over the years a few times where GM's and former GM's have stated that ILB's in the 3-4 defense is their version of a fullback to the offense. You do not spend premium draft capital for a fullback and you do not spend premium draft capital for a ILB in a 3-4 defense. But this has not stopped some from their annual quest to lobby for a 1st round ILB.

Now lets take a look at your list and their testing numbers.

Khalil Hodge, 6'1-3/8"/234lb. , 5.05/40 ,  16 reps. on the bench, 29 vertical. 00.4 percentile on SPARQ (that means he is in the lowest 1% of all LB's athletically). This guy does not have speed or agility. He does have youth and I cannot speak to his tenacity, but I don't think it will matter because LB's that run over 5 second 40's and only have 16 reps of strength are the longest of longshots to make an NFL roster.

Ben Burr-Kirven, 6'0-1/8"/230lb. , 4.56/40 , 21 reps, 34.5 vertical, killed it in the 3-cone 6.85. 84.6 SPARQ. You picked a good one here, the only knock on him is his size and not sure he is a fit for the Packers, but I do like him.

Tre Lamar, 6'3-7/8"/253lb. , 5.01/40 , did not lift, 34.5 vertical, below average mobility in the 3-cone at 7.46, 07.4 SPARQ (another very low end player athletically). Brings great size to the party, but another LB running slower than 5 seconds in the 40. Very limited player.

Kendall Joseph, 5'11-5/8"/ 233lb. , 5.05/40 , 25 reps (that is a plus), 26.5 vertical (that is bad), >00.1 SPARQ (I didn't think we could find someone less athletic than Hodges, but we pulled it off. The good news is I don't believe there is anyone that is a worse athlete than Joseph). It will be amazing if he makes a roster.

Jordan Kunaszyk, 6'3"/ 234lb. , 4.81/40 , 16 reps , 33 vertical , 09.8 SPARQ (Another very low end athlete). I have watched a bunch of Kunaszyk and I really want to like him, high effort and hardnosed guy, just very limited. He will be a two-down defender best playing downhill and in the box, maybe a replacement for Morrison if that is what the Packers are looking for.

You may want to take a look at the guys the Packers have had in for visits, you may end up thinking that just maybe the Packers do know what they are doing. Here is a list of the ILB's that I do know visited the Packers. Gilbert and Elliss might just be that 'youth, speed, agility, tenacity, etc.' you have been looking for.

Curtis Bolton - Oklahoma  4.59/40 
Ulysees Gilbert - Akron  4.51/40
EJ Speed - Tartleton State  4.60/40
Kaden Elliss - Idaho  4.71/40


     
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Re: Linebackers in latter part of draft
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2019, 01:26:32 PM »
RT, my numbers are a little different than yours:

Ben Burr-Kirven, OLB, Washington
Height: 6-0. Weight: 230. Arm: 31.88. Hand: 8.88.
40 Time: 4.56. Three Cone: 6.85.
Bench: 21. Vertical: 34.5. Broad: 10-1.

Khalil Hodge, OLB/ILB, Buffalo
Height: 6-1. Weight: 240.
Projected 40 Time: 4.72.

Kendall Joseph, OLB/ILB, Clemson
Height: 5-11. Weight: 233. Arm: 31.63. Hand: 9.75.
Projected 40 Time: 4.65.
Bench: 25.

Tre Lamar*, ILB, Clemson
Height: 6-3. Weight: 253. Arm: 32.25. Hand: 9.50.
Projected 40 Time: 4.65


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Re: Linebackers in latter part of draft
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2019, 01:47:13 PM »
I saw Kaden Elliss name come up in a mock in the last day or two.

I know GB brought him in on a 30-visit, but thought he was looked upon as more of a priority udfa.

Maybe?

Maybe Not!

I still like Germaine Pratt in the 4th round.
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Re: Linebackers in latter part of draft
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2019, 02:26:54 PM »
RT, my numbers are a little different than yours:

Ben Burr-Kirven, OLB, Washington
Height: 6-0. Weight: 230. Arm: 31.88. Hand: 8.88.
40 Time: 4.56. Three Cone: 6.85.
Bench: 21. Vertical: 34.5. Broad: 10-1.

Khalil Hodge, OLB/ILB, Buffalo
Height: 6-1. Weight: 240.
Projected 40 Time: 4.72.

Kendall Joseph, OLB/ILB, Clemson
Height: 5-11. Weight: 233. Arm: 31.63. Hand: 9.75.
Projected 40 Time: 4.65.
Bench: 25.

Tre Lamar*, ILB, Clemson
Height: 6-3. Weight: 253. Arm: 32.25. Hand: 9.50.
Projected 40 Time: 4.65

Come on Joe, I am giving you the real numbers from their pro days and your rebuttal is with some guys random pre-draft projections. Lets deal with just the facts here, it will lead to better decision making in the long run.

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Re: Linebackers in latter part of draft
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2019, 02:28:40 PM »
I saw Kaden Elliss name come up in a mock in the last day or two.

I know GB brought him in on a 30-visit, but thought he was looked upon as more of a priority udfa.

Maybe?

Maybe Not!

I still like Germaine Pratt in the 4th round.

A double dip of Pratt in the 4th (it might take a 3rd) and Elliss in the 7th would be just fine with me.

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Re: Linebackers in latter part of draft
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2019, 03:44:35 PM »
Out of curiousity, are we discussing the Packers NOT drafting a LB/s in the early rounds? Or are we posting about prospects who might be backups/ST's studs? Because spending the #12 or #30 or a second rounder would be absolutely fine with me.
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Re: Linebackers in latter part of draft
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2019, 07:49:03 AM »
Source was Walters and their data is very accurate.

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Re: Linebackers in latter part of draft
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2019, 08:22:25 AM »
Source was Walters and their data is very accurate.

Walters is a good site, but if it says projected before a stat it is not an accurate stat.