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Re: Position look: WR
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2019, 12:09:53 PM »
More positive print about MVS...……………..

https://www.packers.com/news/new-offense-nothing-new-to-marquez-valdes-scantling

[Count Marquez Valdes-Scantling among those totally unfazed about the prospect of learning a new offense in 2019.
The process has become practically an annual ritual for the Packers’ second-year receiver anytime he prepares for a new season.
“I had a new offense or new playbook every year when I was in college,” said Valdes-Scantling, who transferred from North Carolina State to South Florida in the middle of his college career before coming to the Packers last season as a fifth-round draft pick.
“Literally every single year I’ve had a new staff or a new offensive coordinator or new playbook, so learning a new offense is nothing to me now. It’s something you have to learn how to do.”
To his credit, he actually does have a specific way he absorbs a new playbook. It involves drawing the plays – and his pass routes in particular – on paper to help commit them to memory.
It functions as a third way to learn. Seeing the play on the electronic tablet and running it in practice are the two everyone does. Drawing it is the extra step he takes, and it speeds up his learning curve.
“I want to be able to play fast, so I have to learn it fast,” he said.
About playing fast, quarterback Aaron Rodgers is noticing a difference in Valdes-Scantling’s second year. He clocked a 4.37-second time in the 40-yard dash at the scouting combine in 2018, and it was on display as four of his 38 receptions as a rookie went for 40-plus yards.
The big plays helped him pile up 581 receiving yards, the most by a rookie in the Rodgers era. His average of 15.3 yards per catch was the highest by a Green Bay rookie with at least 25 catches since James Lofton’s 17.8 mark in 1978.
But as with any rookie, consistency wasn’t a strong suit. Through this spring, however, Rodgers has seen Valdes-Scantling’s timed speed match his playing speed much more regularly, which puts a lot of vertical route options on the table for him in Head Coach Matt LaFleur’s scheme.
“You might time at a super-quick 40, but how fast do you play?” Rodgers said. “It’s that football speed. It’s the opposite for a guy like James Jones, who timed kind of slow but he played fast. MVS is playing a lot closer to his 40 time speed, which is saying a lot because he’s pretty damn fast.”
What that means moving forward could be one of the storylines of the season for the Packers.

“I think it’s built for my kind of player,” he said. “I’m a vertical guy and I can stretch the field in numerous ways. I think this offense is predicated for guys like me, and I think that’s going to be good for me.”]

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Re: Position look: WR
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2019, 09:52:39 PM »
....“I think it’s built for my kind of player,” he said. “I’m a vertical guy and I can stretch the field in numerous ways. I think this offense is predicated for guys like me, and I think that’s going to be good for me.”]

I thought this comment was interesting, his self-perception as a "vertical player", and the sense that the offense is predicated for vertical players. 

Davis, the other speed guy, also thought the offense was going to be good for him; perhaps the vertical speed again being the idea? 

I haven't really understood the MLF offense as being particularly vertical; seems like most of the board talk has emphasized it's orientation towards RB and TE's, neither of which are the stuff of vertical targets.  Also much reference to not using a lot of WR, maybe 2 or 3, but not much spread 4 or 5-WR sets.  So, I find the WR perception of the offense being good for vertical is interesting. 

Much criticism in recent years that Rodgers too often went rogue and tried to go vertical when the plays didn't call for that.  **IF** the new offense is more vertical, I wonder if Rodgers might like that, too? 

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Re: Position look: WR
« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2019, 06:34:12 PM »
It seems the Packers WR group is trying to improve in many different ways during the off-season. MVS has turned to an old Packers nemesis (should have drafted him instead of Holliday), for mentoring. Interesting, but hardly worth a new thread.

 https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/14/marquez-valdes-scantling-working-out-with-randy-moss/
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Re: Position look: WR
« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2019, 09:06:57 AM »
This one is for you craig.

Aaron Rodgers on @Equanimeous: "Almost quietly, I think EQ has had a really nice camp. I think he's been very consistent. We haven't talked about him a lot, which is actually a positive. It's almost like, 'Yeah, well, he's on the squad.' He's been that good."

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Re: Position look: WR
« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2019, 10:11:05 PM »
....“I think it’s built for my kind of player,” he said. “I’m a vertical guy and I can stretch the field in numerous ways. I think this offense is predicated for guys like me, and I think that’s going to be good for me.”]

I thought this comment was interesting, his self-perception as a "vertical player", and the sense that the offense is predicated for vertical players. 

Davis, the other speed guy, also thought the offense was going to be good for him; perhaps the vertical speed again being the idea? 

I haven't really understood the MLF offense as being particularly vertical; seems like most of the board talk has emphasized it's orientation towards RB and TE's, neither of which are the stuff of vertical targets.  Also much reference to not using a lot of WR, maybe 2 or 3, but not much spread 4 or 5-WR sets.  So, I find the WR perception of the offense being good for vertical is interesting. 

Much criticism in recent years that Rodgers too often went rogue and tried to go vertical when the plays didn't call for that.  **IF** the new offense is more vertical, I wonder if Rodgers might like that, too?

An offense that has a heavy set can often times be a vertical offense. It forces the defense to play close to the line and honor the run and the TE. When you have more than one guy who can play over the top like MVS and ADAMS, it can trigger hot routes on single high safety sets or mismatches.

As for Davis, he has never shown the ability to track the ball when going vertical that I can remember. MVS has adjusted and plays like a guy who can manipulate his positioning against the DB. Just my take.
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Re: Position look: WR
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2019, 11:46:31 PM »
This one is for you craig.

Aaron Rodgers on @Equanimeous: "Almost quietly, I think EQ has had a really nice camp. I think he's been very consistent. We haven't talked about him a lot, which is actually a positive. It's almost like, 'Yeah, well, he's on the squad.' He's been that good."

Thanks, RT!  That sounds good.  Thanks much for sharing it. 

(Tangent: within the last couple of days, I thought one of the media guys or Twitter guys, of course not a coach or QB, observed that based on what he'd seen in camp, EQ had been about the 8th best WR, and Moore was like 9th or 10th. 

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Re: Position look: WR
« Reply #36 on: August 27, 2019, 07:55:48 PM »
This is a little off base, but thought I would give my reaction. Just spent the last two days at the Cowboys TC. Since I live close, it would have been a shame not to see them. I watched Cobb very carefully and he never dropped a pass nor messed up a pattern. What I did see was him handing off to a RB and also bootleg to the outside. Suspect the Cowboys will do with Cobb some things MM never tried. Kind of a sad not...he didn't appear to have personal chemistry with any of the Cowboys. When the whole team huddled, he was one of the last to join.
There's a part of me that wanted Cobb to stay a Packer forever....injuries and salary kept it from happening. It just reconfirmed to me that football is a business. Cobb could/should be replaced with a younger version of Cobb in Sheppard.

Just throwing that out there...made me a little sad.








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Re: Position look: WR
« Reply #37 on: August 28, 2019, 11:41:50 AM »
This is a little off base, but thought I would give my reaction. Just spent the last two days at the Cowboys TC. Since I live close, it would have been a shame not to see them. I watched Cobb very carefully and he never dropped a pass nor messed up a pattern. What I did see was him handing off to a RB and also bootleg to the outside. Suspect the Cowboys will do with Cobb some things MM never tried. Kind of a sad not...he didn't appear to have personal chemistry with any of the Cowboys. When the whole team huddled, he was one of the last to join.
There's a part of me that wanted Cobb to stay a Packer forever....injuries and salary kept it from happening. It just reconfirmed to me that football is a business. Cobb could/should be replaced with a younger version of Cobb in Sheppard.

Just throwing that out there...made me a little sad.

I wish they would have used Cobbs versatility early in his career more than they did. Great weapon  buried in a no imagination offense.

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Re: Position look: WR
« Reply #38 on: August 28, 2019, 12:50:42 PM »
This is a little off base, but thought I would give my reaction. Just spent the last two days at the Cowboys TC. Since I live close, it would have been a shame not to see them. I watched Cobb very carefully and he never dropped a pass nor messed up a pattern. What I did see was him handing off to a RB and also bootleg to the outside. Suspect the Cowboys will do with Cobb some things MM never tried. Kind of a sad not...he didn't appear to have personal chemistry with any of the Cowboys. When the whole team huddled, he was one of the last to join.
There's a part of me that wanted Cobb to stay a Packer forever....injuries and salary kept it from happening. It just reconfirmed to me that football is a business. Cobb could/should be replaced with a younger version of Cobb in Sheppard.

Just throwing that out there...made me a little sad.

I wish they would have used Cobbs versatility early in his career more than they did. Great weapon  buried in a no imagination offense.

MM's offense...………….ISO route, ISO route, ISO route, ISO route, etc etc etc

You get the picture.

Cobb very well may have thrived in MLF's offense with AR pitching the rock, but they will never know.

Anyway...………..I'm hoping Shepherd makes the 53 and gives them a younger version of Cobb to remind them of what could have been if MM hadn't been so single minded.