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Offline RT

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Re: Lessons Learned - Oakland
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2019, 03:15:06 PM »
That is correct ricky, it is water under the bridge. But doesn't change that the trade was not the wisest move for the Packers and yes Craig voiced that opinion at the time of the trade.

GM, he doesn't need to produce 11 catches for 205 yards for it to be a bad trade. All that needs to be ask is if the Packers were better with him or without him and clearly to me they would of been better with him. Is he better than Shepherd at what the Packers were/are asking them to do? Anyone with the slightest degree of objectivity can see Davis is a much better player now and always will be. Shepherd just is not an NFL caliber player and probably shouldn't even be on a 53 man roster.

Davis is in his fourth year in the league, and has shown little/no improvement. Shepherd has been in seven games, and he's a bust? OK.

As far as the defense of Clark, thank you. Sometimes we get caught up in the moment, and forget about longer term analysis/contributing factors.

Davis has shown amazing improvement since his rookie season. When Davis was drafted a scout commented that Davis was a long term project and would probably taken 2 to 3 years to become a contributor, but he was a 98 percentile athlete. Shepherd is a JAG athlete who tested 157th out of 187 WR tested for the 2019 draft on the SPARQ's scale. He ran a 4.61/40. 
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Re: Lessons Learned - Oakland
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2019, 03:23:03 PM »
Davis has shown amazing improvement since his rookie season. When Davis was drafted a scout commented that Davis was a long term project and would probably taken 2 to 3 years to become a contributor, but he was a 98 percentile athlete. Shepherd is a JAG athlete who tested 157th out of 187 WR tested for the 2019 draft on the SPARQ's scale. He ran a 4.61/40.

Lazard established more chemistry with Rodgers in two games than Davis did in three years. Time to move on.
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Re: Lessons Learned - Oakland
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2019, 03:47:13 PM »
That is correct ricky, it is water under the bridge. But doesn't change that the trade was not the wisest move for the Packers and yes Craig voiced that opinion at the time of the trade.

GM, he doesn't need to produce 11 catches for 205 yards for it to be a bad trade. All that needs to be ask is if the Packers were better with him or without him and clearly to me they would of been better with him. Is he better than Shepherd at what the Packers were/are asking them to do? Anyone with the slightest degree of objectivity can see Davis is a much better player now and always will be. Shepherd just is not an NFL caliber player and probably shouldn't even be on a 53 man roster.

Davis is in his fourth year in the league, and has shown little/no improvement. Shepherd has been in seven games, and he's a bust? OK.



Shepard isnt better at what the Packers are asking him to do right now, but he's young, and COULD develop into something worthwhile.  That doesnt make it a mistake.  I also get a draft pick for Davis.   I can use it or trade it in a package for something higher or trade it at the trade deadline.  It wasnt a mistake.  This team is 6-1, and if Oakland called and wanted to trade us Davis for their pick back, the answer is HELL NO.    I'll take my chances with Sutton developing and a draft pick to help this team wherever they need it (Maybe its a WR?) ,   This was a easy trade to make, and Gute rightfully jumped all over it.     

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Re: Lessons Learned - Oakland
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2019, 05:42:34 PM »
Shepard isnt better at what the Packers are asking him to do right now, but he's young, and COULD develop into something worthwhile.  That doesnt make it a mistake.  I also get a draft pick for Davis.   I can use it or trade it in a package for something higher or trade it at the trade deadline.  It wasnt a mistake.  This team is 6-1, and if Oakland called and wanted to trade us Davis for their pick back, the answer is HELL NO.    I'll take my chances with Sutton developing and a draft pick to help this team wherever they need it (Maybe its a WR?) ,   This was a easy trade to make, and Gute rightfully jumped all over it.   

Exactly. This is not a question as to which player is more athletic, but of one player having had three years to develop, and the Packers were tired of him learning how to play the position, like Janis. Sure, he might have flashed now and then, but there was not growing chemistry between him and Rodgers. Right now, a younger player with some possible upside is on the team. Was it a mistake to keep Shepard? Ask me in a year or two. Was it a mistake to trade Davis? Nope. Got something for someone who was likely to be cut anyway. At this point, I'll trust that Gutekunst seems to be making a lot of good moves.
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Re: Lessons Learned - Oakland
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2019, 07:32:41 PM »
Ricky, I think you're using lazy argumentation.  But whatever. 

If you love Shepherd and want to prioritize development of a small, slow, un-athletic UDFA guy, fine.  But use the practice squad for that, that's what it's for. 

It's water under the bridge.  But at the moment, a 6-1 team with ambitions for this year could have better used Davis right now, because he's presently superior in all six aspects: slot receiver, wide receiver, punt return, kick return, and gunner. 

I think had Davis received the combined scrimmage snaps that Shepherd has received and that Lazard has now gotten instead, and received the injuries-open-doors opportunity, I believe he'd now be right in the middle of the Packers WR usage, and would be contributing non-trivially as a receiver from scrimmage.  But, that's just my scouting view.  Gruden has used him in three games and he's got 134 non-return yards.  Adams or Julio Jones obviously not!  But had the Packers kept him with our injuries, I think Davis might have been a useful guy. 

Yes, it was a mistake to trade him.  O well, not Gute's first and it won't be his last, that's for sure. 




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Re: Lessons Learned - Oakland
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2019, 06:55:24 AM »
Being without Adams may very well be a blessing in disguise, Aaron is now being forced to spread around the ball when before sometimes I felt he only focused on Adams. During this time our offense should only get better with all of these younger players getting additional snaps.

Defensively, being without Savage hurts, we could really use some depth here, Oakland beat us in the middle of the field often, and I'm sure the Chiefs will follow the same formula with Kelce. At the same time, it was mentioned earlier, we could use a DT, not only for depth but we still struggle stopping the run up the middle, not sure Clark is much of a run stopper, and we know Martinez certainly isn't plugging the holes. I'm fully expecting Kansas City to run the ball often, McCoy should be a real challenge because he is shifty and when the other two backs get the ball they have some burst up the middle.

And I know Burks just got back, but from the little I've seen, he should be getting more snaps.

Last, there are definitely concerns with Shepherd, I thought I recall Alexander being a return specialist, why not give him some reps as the kick and/or punt returner? I get it, the concern is that he gets hurt, but right now we are gaining very little yardage out of either return spot.

I think we are very fortunate to catch the Chiefs on a week without Mahomes, but this should still be a fight.

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Re: Lessons Learned - Oakland
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2019, 03:01:02 AM »
Packers pass rush was stymied because Gruden/Guenther game planned to double team the Smith's all day long and that Lowry/Clark/Lancaster would not pressure the QB even though they were left 1-1 with an OL most of the day. Gruden guessed right. But also laid the blue print for other teams to follow. Pettine needs to figure that thing out, and fast.

I was of the opinion that Kenny Clark was this budding super-all-world superstar, who was coming of age and would dominate the NFL and then get signed to a mega-all-world contract extension.

Am I missing something?

He's been fairly invisible for long stretches of this season. Kelce (Philly) totally dominated him. Oakland bullied him as well. Clark has been average, at best, so far this year.

Clark is a serviceable guy. Not sure what fans love affair with him is. He can get it done half the time. Yet, he goes invisible a lot. Maybe he grows, maybe he doesn't. But, Clark is a trade block piece for sure.
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