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Offline rock county

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2012 Post Season Draft Do Over
« on: February 05, 2013, 08:03:47 PM »
What do they say about hindsight?  Anyway.

The season is over and I was looking through the 2012 draft wondering if Ted Thompson knew then what he thought he does now.

How I changed this was if the Packers could make another selection of within ten picks of their pick.  For instance, they picked #132 and chose Mike Daniel, DT, Iowa. I looked at the next 10 (or so) selections and would pick whom I think would be better.

1st Round #28 - Nick Perry
 Pretty confident to say  now, but there were better options, including: Harrison Smith, Courtney Upshaw and Bobby Wagner(#47, I'll make an exception)
Do over - Bobby Wagner MLB

2nd round #51 -Jerel Worthy DE
  I'm pretty satisfied with the Worthy selection, albeit an ACL reconstruction maybe rendering him out for next year.  So with that in mind:
2nd round do over - Lavontae David OLB
 There looks like most of the Packers' LB needs are addressed.

second 2nd round - #62 Casey Hayward CB
Very happy with this selection.

Both 4th round picks - #132 and #133 - Mike Daniel DT and Jerron McMillan, S  I'm okay with both

5th Round, #163, Terrell Manning, OLB  Meh.
5th round do over - Alfred Morris, RB  Fits the blocking scheme and looked to be a pretty good RB.

7th Round, #241 and 243, Andrew Datko, OT and BJ Coleman, QB  7th round. C'mon what could ya do?

UFDA  Happy with what we Packers picked up. Especially with Barclay.  But what the heck, let's also pick up:
UFDA- Vontaze Burfict, OLB  127 tackles, 1 sack.  This guy went from a potential 1st round pick but fell, fell, fell because of questionable character issues and mentioned substance abuse issues.  Understandably, he went to the Bengals.

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Re: 2012 Post Season Draft Do Over
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2013, 10:10:42 PM »
Instead of Perry in the 1st, look no further than the next pick for who we should have taken:  Harrison Smith, Safety. 

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Re: 2012 Post Season Draft Do Over
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2013, 12:52:43 AM »
I think it's pretty tough to come to judgement on Perry. He played a new position for six games while nursing a wrist injury. I don't want to take a mulligan on him quite yet.

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Re: 2012 Post Season Draft Do Over
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2013, 08:35:43 AM »
Agreed.  I do believe that Smith was fairly high on the Packer's radar though. 

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Re: 2012 Post Season Draft Do Over
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2013, 08:37:37 AM »
I'm just doing a knee jerk, reactive assessment.

Who knows? Perry and/or Worthy might develop into what I had hoped.

I wanted Worthy in the first round, by the way.

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Re: 2012 Post Season Draft Do Over
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2013, 08:39:15 AM »
I wasn't overly high on Smith at the time.  Good thing I'm not GM.

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Re: 2012 Post Season Draft Do Over
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2013, 10:19:28 AM »
Round 1: LT Cordy Glenn (#41) or DE Derek Wolfe (#36).

The Perry pick was hard to stomach. He's ill-suited to the scheme, looked stiff in drills and never showed the pass rush repertoire you'd expect of a first round pass rush specialist. Strange pick.

Cordy Glenn is that dancing-bear LT that everybody covets. We sure could have used him last season. Ted knew that Sherrod wasn't going to be ready, yet he went into the season with only Bulaga and the very mediocre Newhouse at OT, putting the team one injury away from fielding marginal players and turning the OL into a weakness.

(*btw, I saw in another thread where you claimed that Worthy "manhandled" Cordy Glenn in their bowl game. They barely matched up (~11 plays), Worthy went 2-2-5 (W/L/push) vs. run and 0-1-1 vs. pass. No manhandling. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RmnbaMcdmI

Derek Wolfe was arguably the top 3-4 DE prospect in the draft. If we were dead set on drafting for defensive needs, he should have been the pick. He was a real force for DEN and we could have used him in base and nickel.





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Re: 2012 Post Season Draft Do Over
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2013, 12:53:16 PM »
Round 1: LT Cordy Glenn (#41) or DE Derek Wolfe (#36).

The Perry pick was hard to stomach. He's ill-suited to the scheme, looked stiff in drills and never showed the pass rush repertoire you'd expect of a first round pass rush specialist. Strange pick.

Cordy Glenn is that dancing-bear LT that everybody covets. We sure could have used him last season. Ted knew that Sherrod wasn't going to be ready, yet he went into the season with only Bulaga and the very mediocre Newhouse at OT, putting the team one injury away from fielding marginal players and turning the OL into a weakness.

(*btw, I saw in another thread where you claimed that Worthy "manhandled" Cordy Glenn in their bowl game. They barely matched up (~11 plays), Worthy went 2-2-5 (W/L/push) vs. run and 0-1-1 vs. pass. No manhandling. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RmnbaMcdmI

Derek Wolfe was arguably the top 3-4 DE prospect in the draft. If we were dead set on drafting for defensive needs, he should have been the pick. He was a real force for DEN and we could have used him in base and nickel.

derek wolfe was high on my list before the draft. but not as high as perry. after seeing how well he played for denver, i wish we had taken him. hindsight is 20/20.
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Re: 2012 Post Season Draft Do Over
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2013, 06:23:10 AM »
Of the players that would be available when we selected last year in a do over, I wanted RB, Doug Martin. I wanted him last year to be our #1 pick and take him in your do over. I was and still am not a fan of the Perry pick. He is a one dimensional pass rusher, plays too high, really po'ed we drafted him last year. In round 2 I wanted Kelechi Osemele instead of Worthy, although I understand the need to shore up the defense. Lavonte David is not a fit for the 3-4 imo. A good 4-3 LB, which he showed in Tampa.

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Re: 2012 Post Season Draft Do Over
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2013, 12:18:14 PM »
I'm just doing a knee jerk, reactive assessment.

Who knows? Perry and/or Worthy might develop into what I had hoped.

I wanted Worthy in the first round, by the way.

Before Perry got hurt I thought I could see some pass rush there.   As far as Worthy is concerned, doesn't it take a couple of seasons for a D lineman to shine?
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Re: 2012 Post Season Draft Do Over
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2013, 01:08:46 PM »
...   As far as Worthy is concerned, doesn't it take a couple of seasons for a D lineman to shine?

sometimes, i guess.

derek wolfe started all 16 games for the broncos and had 40 tackles, 6.0 sacks, and 2 passed defended.

jerel worthy started four games, played in 14 games, and had 14 tackles, 2.5 sacks, and one forced fumble.

both guys were defensive tackles in college, drafted in the second round, and converted to defensive ends in the nfl.
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Re: 2012 Post Season Draft Do Over
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2013, 02:07:58 PM »
Of the players that would be available when we selected last year in a do over, I wanted RB, Doug Martin. I wanted him last year to be our #1 pick and take him in your do over. I was and still am not a fan of the Perry pick. He is a one dimensional pass rusher, plays too high, really po'ed we drafted him last year. In round 2 I wanted Kelechi Osemele instead of Worthy, although I understand the need to shore up the defense. Lavonte David is not a fit for the 3-4 imo. A good 4-3 LB, which he showed in Tampa.

Regarding Lavonte David and whether or not he fits into the 3-4 scheme is a good point.  The same question could be brought up whether Nick Perry is/was a 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB. Tweener.  In my opinion, in this case, I'll take a performer (David), even though it's only been one year.

I loved the Worthy pick at the time, but now it appears that in the short lifespan of the rookie contract, Osemele or even Konz would have more upside.

Thanks for your response.




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Re: 2012 Post Season Draft Do Over
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2013, 02:19:09 PM »
Round 1: LT Cordy Glenn (#41) or DE Derek Wolfe (#36).

The Perry pick was hard to stomach. He's ill-suited to the scheme, looked stiff in drills and never showed the pass rush repertoire you'd expect of a first round pass rush specialist. Strange pick.

Cordy Glenn is that dancing-bear LT that everybody covets. We sure could have used him last season. Ted knew that Sherrod wasn't going to be ready, yet he went into the season with only Bulaga and the very mediocre Newhouse at OT, putting the team one injury away from fielding marginal players and turning the OL into a weakness.

(*btw, I saw in another thread where you claimed that Worthy "manhandled" Cordy Glenn in their bowl game. They barely matched up (~11 plays), Worthy went 2-2-5 (W/L/push) vs. run and 0-1-1 vs. pass. No manhandling. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RmnbaMcdmI

Derek Wolfe was arguably the top 3-4 DE prospect in the draft. If we were dead set on drafting for defensive needs, he should have been the pick. He was a real force for DEN and we could have used him in base and nickel.

derek wolfe was high on my list before the draft. but not as high as perry. after seeing how well he played for denver, i wish we had taken him. hindsight is 20/20.

I'm happy with 2-2-5 numbers from a DL vs OL when it involved two prospects that were mentioned as potential 1st round picks in last years draft.  Or maybe I saw it through Big 10 glasses.  Probably the latter.

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Re: 2012 Post Season Draft Do Over
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2013, 05:34:53 PM »
I still think you guys are being way premature on Perry.

The guy I would really like to have acquired for our team in last year's draft was Dwayne Allen. I know the logical spot to pick him is the pick we took Hayward with, which obviously wouldn't do (though, in an actual redraft there's no way Hayward even makes it to our first rounder...). Anyway, he's the type of guy who you keep in on offense to improve your ability to do everything. He run blocks, he pass blocks, and he catches. I'm not sure we have a tight end that does a single one of those things as well as he does.

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Re: 2012 Post Season Draft Do Over
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2013, 06:30:12 PM »
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I still think you guys are being way premature on Perry.

+1. Perry was especially raw coming out of USC . I don't think think anyone in the Packers organization expected him to play at a high level in his rookie year. I really wish he could have played more than 6 games last year, experience is exactly what he needed. He's way too physically talented to call a disappointment right now.
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